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Sundar Pichai: ‘Technology Doesn’t Solve Humanity’s Problems’

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> Google was enabling the DoD to be more efficient at killing people The world is complicated, and things are never as simple as that. Would you consider drones and smart bombs bad when the alternative is carpet bombing? It is always too easy to ignore the world as it is and focus on a utopian case. War will happen, with whatever tools are available.

Only the most dogmatic pacifists in the US still maintain that the US entering WWII was the wrong choice. Yet the US literally incinerated hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians through carpet fire-bombings. Thankfully, we seem to have left the world of total war. Whether nuclear weapons and targeted drone strikes made the world in some broad strokes more peaceful on purpose, well, probably not. Nonetheless, we…

Hey, I'm not even that dogmatic of a pacifist and I'd go further. Entering the first WW and the preceding entangled alliances was the wrong choice (as warned against by our founders). The resolution of WWI set the stage for inevitable problems including WWII.

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Technology absolutely solves humanity's problems. There's pretty much no problem that given a large thoughtful effort, technology has not solved. The problem is that humanity is bad at choosing where to invest in technology. Our society has been set up so that orders of magnitude of more money is spent on advertising technology than clean energy, sanitation, sustainability, and ethical food production. Technology is…

What about evil?

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That's reductive argument. Who decides who is worthy enough to hold "humanity's best interests" at heart? That's a subjective judgement that depends on who, where and when you are. Kipling's vision of "humanity" and its interest is very different that Mao's, which is in turn very different from yours. Technology makes things more efficient, but doesn't change the act. Getting your head bashed in by a caveman, cut off…

The company making bombs is the same as the company making software to deliver those bombs via drone. Both are working in service of making it easier for the government to kill people.

If that's the case, the person financing the bombs and war are to blame as well. You can't really get away with avoiding taxes, so you can get a pass on that one. However, you probably own a smartphone that was largely manufactured in China. Buying imported goods enables Chinese oppression much more than introducing a search engine that just maintains the status quo and siphons some money away from China.

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I mean, I did vote for someone who doesn't want to do those things. That person lost.

And yet you fund the killing with your taxes. You know they kill, you know they need money to build the killing machines, you give them money.

Have an option for me to withhold those taxes that doesn't involve more killing? Sign me up.

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I said it before: - If you continue this line of thinking, your only option probably is to extinguish all human being.

Absolutely. There can be no protesting ANY immoral actions, because that means you must advocate for ending humanity /s.

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Enough said, enjoy your day.

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I said it before: - If you continue this line of thinking, your only option probably is to extinguish all human being.

Absolutely. There can be no protesting ANY immoral actions, because that means you must advocate for ending humanity /s.

I think the point is that it's not immoral because if it is immoral, then the only solution would be to end humanity.

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You're making an assumption about best. What is best? Is it personal liberty within the confines of enough law to provide some semblance of stability? The US is straining with that and it is arguably the most free of the Western Nations. Before the EU apologists jump on, keep in mind the EU Human Rights Court ruled that no one is allowed to speak against Mohamed ( https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/european-co…

Ensuring your citizens are safe, fed, housed, and healthy is the bare minimum for any government (Looking at you, SF). "Peace, land, bread", you know? But any time an entity is afraid to be challenged, it is selfishly choosing its own survival over the possibility that there exists a better provider for its citizens. That part is the "not best" part, and it's also the part Google is accused of helping with. If Google…

How do you know that the entity isn't better than its people? The long term stability of governments correlates with general wellness. Technology helps make the government more stable.

If 90% of the population's standard of living improves at the expense of the 10%, is that wrong? Where is the line? Even when a rising tide raises all boats, there are many who will still get swamped. Should we stop forward progression due to that?

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Really? When and where?

Operation Gomorrah which began on 24 July 1943 and lasted for 8 days and 7 nights. Hamburg, Germany. >killing 42,600 civilians and wounding 37,000 in Hamburg and virtually destroying most of the city. >The unusually warm weather and good conditions meant that the bombing was highly concentrated around the intended targets and also created a vortex and whirling updraft of super-heated air which created a 460 meter hig…

Neither the Gulf War air campaign nor the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia qualifies as a 'carpet bombing.' Both struck individually targeted strategic targets while attempting to minimize civilian casualties.

Re: Sundar Pichai: ‘Technology Doesn’t Solve Humanity’s Problems’

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In many cases, absolutely.

Which cases are those?

How about these two?

https://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_y...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2011/sep/30/anwar-al-...

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Just for fun, here are the top 10 problems I deal with every day. Are there technologies that solve these? If not, why?

1. Getting up in the morning earlier than my body wants to. I think I need to go to bed earlier but find myself watching TV or surfing social media/news.

2. Much of my work consists of repairing technical debt from stuff done 3-5 years ago with the best of intentions. There appears to be more money in this than architecting new software.

3. For lunch I go home and make a sandwich. This may very well be the highlight of my day. Is there a sandwich making machine?

4. I go back to work and work later than expected, usually leaving around 7 PM. The timer says I got 6 billable hours in, but I spent a day to do it. Is there technology that makes billable hours work better or is my efficiency really 50% or whatever. I don't know.

5. I go to the gym 5 days a week for 1.5 to 2 hours which includes 0.5 hours of cardio. I'm getting stronger but generally always look the same, and so does everybody else. I've been doing this for 20 years.

6. I go to the store on the way home and always get the same things. I could maybe set up some kind of delivery service. I worry that automation will put grocery stores out of business someday but am sick of going to the store constantly.

7. I drink a beer and watch Netflix all night. This is awesome. But is this the pinnacle of civilization? I don't know.

8. I see members of my family roughly once per week or less. They all live within 50 miles. Time becomes an inexorable march of lost days, each lost day growing more pressing in my mind as I fall asleep each night. The future implications of this are too painful to contemplate, so thoughts are troubled and fleeting.

9. I started a TODO list of inventions, projects I'd like to work on, etc. I stopped when it reached roughly 200 items. That was a decade ago, and I'd be surprised if more than a handful of items have been crossed off. Is there some kind of a machine that can lower my obligations each day to perhaps 2-4 hours so I can work on the things that might actually help the world? Or is this vanity, is it better to wait for them to spring themselves into existence within 2 weeks or 2 years, sometimes by just mentioning them on the internet?

10. Weekends are the hardest. The yawning mouth of obligation to family, friends and home maintenance stretches like a tunnel to infinity from which no light can be seen brimming from its depths. Holidays become a 2-3 month marathon of reactionary mode optimizing of the things that must be done like last year. A point is reached at which the distraction of daily minutia frees the mind from worrying about the things that will never be. As if all the technology in the world led to a place of maximum distraction, dilution and ineffectualism, each layer cementing the exhaustion beneath the one before. Where is the technology that gives me the time, that pays me the money so that I don't have to run the rat race anymore? If that doesn't exist, then is what we have now really technology?

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