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Sundar Pichai: ‘Technology Doesn’t Solve Humanity’s Problems’

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And it's your belief that not taking action would be better?

Are you certain that every drone strike that's ever been made has had a positive impact on the world?

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. Perhaps the inclusion of the absolutist "every drone strike... ever".

But this raises a valid concern. Is drone striking weddings really winning the hearts and minds of people, or is it just setting up the next generation of (IMO, justified) hate toward the US? [0] [1]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airs... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airs...

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And it's your belief that not taking action would be better?

Are you certain that every drone strike that's ever been made has had a positive impact on the world?

Now we are getting into indefinable moral calculus. If drone strikes have a net positive impact, are they justified? If you are in a train about to run over three people but can change the direction to run over one, do you do it?

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I think I disagree here. Technology is very much a key part to solving most of humanity's problems. It always has been. Technology is what drives humanity forward. You can look at every empire in history and you will find that at their peak they had some kind of technical advantage over others. Conversely, their fall tends to be correlated with losing that edge.

Silicon Valley thrives on startups spending money on all sorts of crazy stuff that accidentally succeeds once in a while, courtesy of plenty of investor cash to keep that going long enough to find out. The successes are wildly lucrative. There are probably more than a few future billion $ unicorns being nurtured to success in the valley.

However, as soon as unicorns succeed they turn corporate. I think Google is a great example of this. IMHO there's a clear difference between what Google accomplished technically before and after their IPO. At this point it seems they are mostly milking tech that they built/acquired around or before 2005 (search/maps/youtube/android/ads/etc.). It's not that they are getting nothing done but they are accomplishing far less at far greater cost since they probably spend more than ever on R&D while having increasingly less to show for it. They take less risk with their projects and their comfort zone has shrunk to the point that they felt a need to park their more wacky initiatives under the alphabet umbrella, outside of Google. Of course, this may end up being a clever move if some of those efforts succeed. But I would look outside of Alphabet for likely unicorns.

This CEO was employed to look after the cash cow while the Google founders focus on the more exciting stuff in Alphabet. He's not there to build the next Google, merely to keep the existing one going. Stagnation is not unique to Google. Many companies suffer from technical stagnation. Very few companies actually survive more than a few decades. In the tech world, things are trending down not up in terms of longevity.

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To put the title into context: "Do you still feel like Silicon Valley has retained that idealism that struck you when you arrived here?" "There’s still that optimism. But the optimism is tempered by a sense of deliberation. Things have changed quite a bit. You know, we deliberate about things a lot more, and we are more thoughtful about what we do. But there’s a deeper thing here, which is: Technology doesn’t solve h…

> Google was enabling the DoD to be more efficient at killing people and China to be more oppressive until its workers protested. So he's right about humanity having to solve its problems but he's forgetting that Google, the corporation, is opting to make it harder for humanity to solve its problems by enabling those who do not have humanity's best interest in their heart.

That's reductive argument. Who decides who is worthy enough to hold "humanity's best interests" at heart?

That's a subjective judgement that depends on who, where and when you are. Kipling's vision of "humanity" and its interest is very different that Mao's, which is in turn very different from yours.

Technology makes things more efficient, but doesn't change the act. Getting your head bashed in by a caveman, cut off by a 19th century cavalry sabre wielded by a horseman, or vaporized by an explosive shell has the same end result.

Do you equate the person who whittled the caveman's club, raised the cavalryman's' horse or operated the supply train that transported the shell with Google?

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I mean, I did vote for someone who doesn't want to do those things. That person lost.

Sure, then it's not Google's fault either.

> Face the truth. If you want no killing, Your enemy isn’t Google, it’s your neighbour.

> it's not Google's fault either.

Starting from a false truth, you can come to any conclusion. Google is responsible for choosing to enable immoral acts and pretending there are no fault actors is one of your faults.

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> Google was enabling the DoD to be more efficient at killing people and China to be more oppressive until its workers protested. So he's right about humanity having to solve its problems but he's forgetting that Google, the corporation, is opting to make it harder for humanity to solve its problems by enabling those who do not have humanity's best interest in their heart.

I'm a progressive, but there is no peace without being ready for war. I just hope we don't find out too late, and China has much better smart weaponry

Quick question: in this hypothetical where China presents an existential threat to the US, what happens to the Chinese economy when they invade the largest consumer of their domestically produced goods and services?

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I agree with the quote from the article. Think of technology as a tool. If you take email, for example, you can use it for pretty much anything - it solves the problem of communication. But it doesn't inherently solve poverty, racism, inequality or any social problem - it could be used to do that, or it could be used to make them worse. The growth of social media has brought people together for better or for worse.

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Sure, then it's not Google's fault either.

> Face the truth. If you want no killing, Your enemy isn’t Google, it’s your neighbour. > it's not Google's fault either. Starting from a false truth, you can come to any conclusion. Google is responsible for choosing to enable immoral acts and pretending there are no fault actors is one of your faults.

I said it before:

- If you continue this line of thinking, your only option probably is to extinguish all human being.

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