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China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by un-devmox »

cimi_ wrote: post #46

Setting who wants to do this aside in order to avoid the constant 'X is worse than Y' arguments. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that in a near future we will have cameras that can do much more than identification on a massive scale. It may be easy to track things like how stressed, healthy, sober etc. people are without their consent or without them even noticing. And this would be precise , not speculativ…

And, in the not so distant future after that, it's safe to assume that people will be forced to have chip implants. Why use a camera and ml when you can just tag someone?

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by eiaoa »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #116
eiaoa wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ubiquitous surveillance would presumably try to have every camera within view of at least one other camera, so sabotaging them is a good way to get tracked down and arrested. You don't have to attack the camera directly to sabotage it. Cutting power or communications cables and jamming transmissions works too.

Same thing applies to cutting cables. You'll be seen and tracked. Jammers are both trackable and illegal in most places. Believe me, I wish it was that easy.

I think it would be harder to keep every inch of cable in view of a camera than keep every camera in view of another.

Jammers are trackable, but if you use them judiciously, I think they could be used to cover other attacks: activate jammer, attack camera infrastructure, deactivate jammer, and flee.

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by jessaustin »

tdb7893 wrote: post #134
jessaustin wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese government has done very little to oppress USA residents. USA government, OTOH...

The US is still actually pretty good to it's citizens by global standards. For example as an American I don't have any worries that the government will come after me if I speak out against it and a politician can't have me thrown in jail without a trial. But I mean of course as an American I would care more about what the US does because it affects me more. The war on drugs especially is an authoritarian nightmare (a…

USA Drug War was always meant to be racist, and it always has been. See the statements of e.g. Anslinger and Nixon. Seeing mere contingency where intent is clear is a tawdry sort of privilege.

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by eigenhombre »

yodon wrote: post #111

I made a couple trips to the South Pole in grad school. Down there you were either a scientist in a red parka, black insulated pants, and white boots or support staff in brown carharts. No part of the body could be seen at a distance and even the gloves were standard issue. What constantly amazed me was how you could see someone walking a quarter mile away and instantly know exactly who it was. The South Pole is a sm…

Former Polie (10x; IceCube) - I also noticed this there. I wouldn't trust it 100%, but it was pretty reliable.

I expect that if you knew that the cameras were watching, you could trick their AI's pretty easily (e.g., by faking a limp), but I'd prefer to confirm that before relying on it :-).

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by jayflux »

jobigoud wrote: post #126
nabla9 wrote: post #24

1. Gait detector is functional. 2. Countermeasure: use stone in the shoe, tape and other things to fool the gait detector. 3. Counter-countermeasure: detect artificial gaits. Everyone unrecognized with artificial gait is person of interest.

Counter counter counter measure: train yourself so your gait parameters exactly match those of a target, to generate a false positive.

I feel like the very point of choosing gait recognition in the first place was because it is difficult to mimic (at that level of detail).

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by k_sze »

yodon wrote: post #111

I made a couple trips to the South Pole in grad school. Down there you were either a scientist in a red parka, black insulated pants, and white boots or support staff in brown carharts. No part of the body could be seen at a distance and even the gloves were standard issue. What constantly amazed me was how you could see someone walking a quarter mile away and instantly know exactly who it was. The South Pole is a sm…

I suspect that for humans, it’s actually not that difficult a feat.

Totally anecdotal, but I can often identify people I know just by listening to their footsteps.

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by taneq »

Gabriel_Martin wrote: post #73
24gttghh wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walk without rhythm, and you will attract the autocrats?

I've got no rhythm, who could ask for anything more?

You can't dance, you can't talk, the only thing about you is the way that you walk?

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by taneq »

dpwm wrote: post #41
nabla9 wrote: post #24

1. Gait detector is functional. 2. Countermeasure: use stone in the shoe, tape and other things to fool the gait detector. 3. Counter-countermeasure: detect artificial gaits. Everyone unrecognized with artificial gait is person of interest.

4. Counter-counter-countermeasure: wheels.

Nice segway.

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by meguest »

yodon wrote: post #111

I made a couple trips to the South Pole in grad school. Down there you were either a scientist in a red parka, black insulated pants, and white boots or support staff in brown carharts. No part of the body could be seen at a distance and even the gloves were standard issue. What constantly amazed me was how you could see someone walking a quarter mile away and instantly know exactly who it was. The South Pole is a sm…

I live in a block of flats with a flat mate. I can tell when she is home before she even gets to the front door as you can hear people walking in the corridor and she has a particularly heavy, almost clumsy walk that is completely and easily distinguishable.

Re: China can apparently now identify citizens based on the way they walk

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Post by nandemo »

un-devmox wrote: post #141
cimi_ wrote: post #46

Setting who wants to do this aside in order to avoid the constant 'X is worse than Y' arguments. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that in a near future we will have cameras that can do much more than identification on a massive scale. It may be easy to track things like how stressed, healthy, sober etc. people are without their consent or without them even noticing. And this would be precise , not speculativ…

And, in the not so distant future after that, it's safe to assume that people will be forced to have chip implants. Why use a camera and ml when you can just tag someone?

Forced? That sounds a bit too 1984-ish. I believe in a more Brave New World future, where people will pay good money to get chipped and the only "natties" (unchipped people) will be people who either cannot afford it, or "wackos".
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