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Yes. Teachers unions would never agree to have to start later in the day.
Why?
When teachers are directly exposed to the light of the sun, they burst into flames. ;)
In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe rethinking both parents working is more productive to society. If the expectation was that one parent cared for the children and the household, that would drastically shrink the supply of workers, and force wages up, recognizing the actual, formerly unpaid cost of maintaining a household and raising children.
And since we are at it, let's make women be the SAH parents? Seriously, that would move society 50+ years back. When there were no washing machines, vacuum cleaners, etc., maintaining a household was certainly a job for one person, but fortunately we moved past that and, at least in theory, your 46th chromosome does not affect your ability to choose a job anymore.
Yeah, sorry. There was nothing in there that implied gender.
I know a number of people who work with children in education and there is a very clear change happening in the last 20 years with how prepared children are when starting school. The average amount of actual parenting time many children are getting now has dropped dramatically and it is showing in behavior and basic education preparedness. Of course it is the right of either parent to work but society has now made both parents working a requirement in many places, not an option... and it seems the fallout is affecting the children.
If you're concerned about society then the focus needs to be on preparing the next generation better. Either you structure it so that single income families are an option, or you dump a lot more into the education system to make up for the lack of input kids are getting from their parents.
Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving
#113I don't understand all the hubbub but I am for this. I bounce between the West Coast and the East Coast on a regular basis.
If DST is made permanent in California then Southern California will have the same nearly the same sunrise as Georgia when they change their clocks back. Clearly Georgia makes it through the fall and Winter A-OK every year.
Is the concern mostly squared around Central through Northern California?
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies can decide what schedule makes better sense then. Or if needed, better rules can be established to solve those problems. Even with day light saving, people don't work on the same schedule. Plenty of them need to get up before sun rise or work until late night no matter what the clock says.
People don't work at the same time, but the time they work is determined by other people's schedules. That's why janitors often work in the middle of the night, and school starts before work, and the doughnut guy has to get to the shop early in the morning. By the way, I would also love to get rid of clock changes twice a year. I'm mainly playing devil's advocate here. The drawbacks of winter morning darkness are rea…
Living in a relatively northern latitude with fairly fixed hours far east in a timezone, I used to really value DST (though would just as soon have been in the next timezone east). Now, between lots of travel and flexible schedule, I don't care that much though I still prefer whatever tilts toward more evening light.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. Under this plan, in the winter, CA would be 2 hours behind the East Coast, and the summer, 3 hours behind.
Several of the New England states are contemplating a move to year-round Atlantic Time, which would keep them synced 3 hours ahead of California. I’d love that. There’s no reason why a city at the latitude of Boston should have to endure 4:30 sunsets.
I doubt it will ever happen because you're now a different timezone from NYC. But I'd absolutely consider voting for abolishing daylight savings if New England moved to Atlantic Time.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then we start running into issues with the secondary/tertiary purpose of schools, daycare, which lets parents work normal 9-5 jobs more easily while having kids. If schools didn't start to 8:30-9 it'd be harder for parents to get to work.
And there's the real issue. Not about what's best for the kids, but what's convenient for the parents.
Doesn't doing something good for the parents also help their children?
I mean, it's their parents, not some random strangers.
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#117From [1], which is much better and more on-point, if still short: "Opponents of the proposition argue [...] the sun wouldn’t rise until 8 a.m. during some winter months, forcing children to walk to school or buses in darkness" Maybe school shouldn't start so early then? Starting at 8:30-9 would reduce a lot of that, though not all of it. Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what? Darkness is a fact of life, get…
The local TV news used to run the same story every DST change. Like walking to school in the dark is worse than walking home from school in the dark? The only advantage of the former is that it gives the sun a chance to warm up the air a bit more so it's not quite as cold in the morning.
> Like walking to school in the dark is worse than walking home from school in the dark?
Actually, yes.
Not just California, but starting an hour later also lets the temperature rise. That's not an undue consideration when you have snow and ice.
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#118Maybe it's trying to be funny, but this article is the stupidest take on this issue that I've seen.
Yup. Ranting about losing one hour, once? It's either a flat attempt at humor or the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.
It might be just an hour to you, but collectively the residents of California stand to lose 4.5 millennia!
(But yes, it was the idea of losing time that convinced me this article is either a humor or misguided)
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#119The real problem with the time change is it happens over a single night. When you're actually living in nature, waking up with the sunrise, you will gradually wake up earlier or later as the seasons shift. If our time changed gradually on a more natural pace it would be a whole lot less disruptive and people wouldn't be losing daylight from their lives. We have the technology today to make that happen. If everyone's…
William Willett, who was a promoter of DST in Britain, proposed advancing the clock by twenty minutes on four Sundays in April and taking it back twenty minutes on four Sundays in September ( http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/willett.html ), sort of a compromise between continuous adjustment and the one-shot that we have now.
I hope you mean either three Sundays or 15 minutes, otherwise you don't get an hour.
It's enough of a pain to change all the clocks twice a year, I'd hate to have to do it 8 times.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the point of moving the time zone by 1 hour (keeping permanent DST instead of normal time) and then adjusting times, like school hours, to compensate for it? Couldn't one just go back to normal time instead?
Only if literally everything adjusts to compensate. People proposing a permanent move to daylight savings time with some things moving to compensate are expecting the majority of things to keep happening at the same clock time (resulting in advantages like more evening sunlight).
I don't doubt that is the expectation, but I think they are underestimating how much we arrange our daily life by the sunlight. While in the summer months the longer day length makes the concept DST working - in a sense the DST time change is a hack that somewhat works, the things get more tough in the winter, where morning brightness is very important. And also in the summer, at least for me, it is an illusion. Because the one hard constraint is, when it gets dark and cool enough to sleep. And here in Germany, that means around midnight, when DST is active. And that of course pushes the rest of my day cycle around in consequence.