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In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prop 7 was submitted to voters by the legislature, since they couldn't do what they wanted without permission from the voters, because the law setting DST policy was from the voters, not the legislature. Of course, federal action is still needed, too.

Federal action is only needed if they choose to go with PDT year-round rather than PST.

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Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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> general consensus is that Daylight Saving Time is better for farmers, and energy consumption, as well as being less disruptive to children who are particularly affected by the ping-ponging of the clock in the spring and fall.

I think the author is arguing against getting rid of DST? In which case, what he wrote above (which BTW is a link that goes to an article that backs up not a single thing he said) actually goes against his point. It says that if we stay on permanent DST, it's better for everyone.

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So when the US East Coast springs forward 1 hour California is then going to be 4 hours behind? That's gonna make West Coast travel even worse.

The opposite. California is going to UTC-7 year-round. The East Coast varies between UTC-5 and UTC-4. California is effectively going to be in the exact same time zone as Arizona, which is in Mountain Standard Time and does not recognize DST. Honestly, we should just abolish the Pacific time zone and then abolish DST on the West Coast. Rename Mountain Standard Time to Western Standard Time.

I can't imagine people in the northern reaches of Mountain time would be pleased about never having DST. They'd likely be better off moving to CST (so no DST).

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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This doesn't change anything right now -- it allows the California legislature to pick either PST or PDT: https://votersedge.org/en/ca/ballot/election/area/73/measure... The way it is now Federal law sets standard time zones for each area of the country. California and other western states are in the Pacific Standard time zone. Current law requires the time of each zone to move forward by one hour from early March to…

It passed 60-40. The legislature would be foolish to ignore the electorate's clear intent. CA has only a single timezone, the Pacific Timezone.

It is kind of funny that it passed by less than the required % of votes in the legislature, though.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prop 7 was submitted to voters by the legislature, since they couldn't do what they wanted without permission from the voters, because the law setting DST policy was from the voters, not the legislature. Of course, federal action is still needed, too.

Federal action is only needed if they choose to go with PDT year-round rather than PST.

Right, but permanent daylight time is the whole motivation; reading the history and analysis of AB 807 (which put this on the ballot) as it went through the legislature is instructive.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it satire? Are they being facetious? I honestly can’t tell if they’re serious. They don’t make an argument against permanent DST.

"This is clearly stupid, and something I’ve personally felt keenly since at least 1994, when I wrote to my then Congressman Pete Geren and asked why he supported Daylight Saving Time." That passage marks the point where they admit it is satire. It's about half way through.

I have no idea. It seems like the author wants permanent Standard time?

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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So when the US East Coast springs forward 1 hour California is then going to be 4 hours behind? That's gonna make West Coast travel even worse.

Honestly, if it happens, I bet the rest of the West Coast follows suit, and then the rest of the country.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real kicker is snow: in the winter months, if you get snow, you really want as much sun in the morning as possible to aid snowmelt and other snow clearing steps. In the summer months, moving extra sunlight to the afternoon makes much more sense. DST is a compromise that gets you morning sun in winter and afternoon sun in summer.

What’s wrong with just getting up earlier, on your own terms? Or just stay on DST time zone forever?

Most people don't determine their own schedules. They have to get to work, or class by a specific time. Even independent contractors have to accommodate their clients' schedules.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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post #32

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the obvious follow on from that is to abolish timezones all together, all use UTS, and simply change the times we go to work to match local conditions

No that's just awful, now instead of having a defined timezone boundary we have a slow bleed between different areas and we have to look up to know what a businesses hours are if we're not close enough to follow the same customary time instead of just knowing what timezone they're in. So now we're dealing with a patchwork of 'zones of similar customary times' as areas with similar solar times move towards a similar c…

but isn't that what you have to do now, look up what timezone a business is in. The only difference with this scheme is that you don't need to convert between timezones to figure out when they're open in your timeezone

I live in the southern hemisphere and 'work' online in the northern - I have to deal with the mess that is 4 different combinations of timezones every year, and calendaring systems that are unable to handle the idea of knowing WHERE a meeting is going to be held so they can get the time right

Really though people should change their work hours to match their timezones - I live a long way south, we have long twilight in the summers and tiny days in the winter, when it gets dark at 4:30 because we're squashed up against a timezone boundary - I have to get up in the dark anyway, why not move our winter work hours so we get a couple of hours daylight during the winter? it would help with the Vit D issues

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