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In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by CalChris »

rrauenza wrote: post #16

This doesn't change anything right now -- it allows the California legislature to pick either PST or PDT: https://votersedge.org/en/ca/ballot/election/area/73/measure... The way it is now Federal law sets standard time zones for each area of the country. California and other western states are in the Pacific Standard time zone. Current law requires the time of each zone to move forward by one hour from early March to…

It passed 60-40. The legislature would be foolish to ignore the electorate's clear intent.

CA has only a single timezone, the Pacific Timezone.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by paulddraper »

singingboyo wrote: post #10

From [1], which is much better and more on-point, if still short: "Opponents of the proposition argue [...] the sun wouldn’t rise until 8 a.m. during some winter months, forcing children to walk to school or buses in darkness" Maybe school shouldn't start so early then? Starting at 8:30-9 would reduce a lot of that, though not all of it. Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what? Darkness is a fact of life, get…

> Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what?

Even in the U.S....Washington, Montana, Michigan, Maine...this is fact of life stuff.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by mullingitover »

rtkwe wrote: post #48
npunt wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, sending kids to school in the dark is a pretty weak 'think of the children' argument. If we REALLY cared about children, we'd start school later as numerous studies show a later start is better for learning and health. See the CDC's guidelines for optimal school start times, which is 8:30am or later: https://www.cdc.gov/features/school-start-times/index.html

Then we start running into issues with the secondary/tertiary purpose of schools, daycare, which lets parents work normal 9-5 jobs more easily while having kids. If schools didn't start to 8:30-9 it'd be harder for parents to get to work.

And there's the real issue. Not about what's best for the kids, but what's convenient for the parents.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by eclipticplane »

CalChris wrote: post #51
rrauenza wrote: post #16

This doesn't change anything right now -- it allows the California legislature to pick either PST or PDT: https://votersedge.org/en/ca/ballot/election/area/73/measure... The way it is now Federal law sets standard time zones for each area of the country. California and other western states are in the Pacific Standard time zone. Current law requires the time of each zone to move forward by one hour from early March to…

It passed 60-40. The legislature would be foolish to ignore the electorate's clear intent. CA has only a single timezone, the Pacific Timezone.

Foolishness from the California legislature? Nahhhhh.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by nrb »

rtkwe wrote: post #48
npunt wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, sending kids to school in the dark is a pretty weak 'think of the children' argument. If we REALLY cared about children, we'd start school later as numerous studies show a later start is better for learning and health. See the CDC's guidelines for optimal school start times, which is 8:30am or later: https://www.cdc.gov/features/school-start-times/index.html

Then we start running into issues with the secondary/tertiary purpose of schools, daycare, which lets parents work normal 9-5 jobs more easily while having kids. If schools didn't start to 8:30-9 it'd be harder for parents to get to work.

Maybe rethinking 9-5 is more productive to society than forcing everything else around it. Lots of schools start each day in the 7:00 hour.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by User23 »

sjburt wrote: post #49
downrightmike wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arizona has not been doing daylight savings for years, and they don't have this problem. Really any area with 350+ days of sun shine a year should abandon DLS.

The day length changes less as you get closer to the equator. It's not nearly a big a deal in Tuscon as it is in San Francisco (or Eureka).

This is a great example of why local rule is generally preferable.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by pault »

CalChris wrote: post #51
rrauenza wrote: post #16

This doesn't change anything right now -- it allows the California legislature to pick either PST or PDT: https://votersedge.org/en/ca/ballot/election/area/73/measure... The way it is now Federal law sets standard time zones for each area of the country. California and other western states are in the Pacific Standard time zone. Current law requires the time of each zone to move forward by one hour from early March to…

It passed 60-40. The legislature would be foolish to ignore the electorate's clear intent. CA has only a single timezone, the Pacific Timezone.

They have PST and PDT, depending on which part of the year it is. :)

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by sjburt »

spookthesunset wrote: post #46
bitwize wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Japanese don't have DST, despite Japan having a similar latitude span to the lower 48. Somehow, even the kids in northerly Hokkaido manage just fine.

> The Japanese don't have DST They are in the wrong timezone, in my opinion. The sun sets super early in the day. If I was the dictator of the planet, I'd set japan's clocks forward by two hours year round. Then the sun would set at 18:40 instead of 16:40 today. Getting off work and having some daylight is pretty important, IMHO. It is quite hard to do in Japan.

It's also pretty annoying in the summer when the sun comes up at 4:30.
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