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In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by intopieces »

singingboyo wrote: post #10

From [1], which is much better and more on-point, if still short: "Opponents of the proposition argue [...] the sun wouldn’t rise until 8 a.m. during some winter months, forcing children to walk to school or buses in darkness" Maybe school shouldn't start so early then? Starting at 8:30-9 would reduce a lot of that, though not all of it. Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what? Darkness is a fact of life, get…

This has always been an odd argument to me. Does abolishing DST also abolish flashlights, streetlamps, reflective clothing...? What did children do before DST came around to save them? Children have been attending school longer than DST has been around.

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Post by jcranmer »

echevil wrote: post #6

Grew up in a region without day light saving, I really don’t see the point of changing clocks twice every year. I’d be very glad to see it getting abandoned

The real kicker is snow: in the winter months, if you get snow, you really want as much sun in the morning as possible to aid snowmelt and other snow clearing steps. In the summer months, moving extra sunlight to the afternoon makes much more sense. DST is a compromise that gets you morning sun in winter and afternoon sun in summer.

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Post by SilasX »

singingboyo wrote: post #10

From [1], which is much better and more on-point, if still short: "Opponents of the proposition argue [...] the sun wouldn’t rise until 8 a.m. during some winter months, forcing children to walk to school or buses in darkness" Maybe school shouldn't start so early then? Starting at 8:30-9 would reduce a lot of that, though not all of it. Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what? Darkness is a fact of life, get…

Coordination problem; people depend on things happening at certain times relative to each other, and they won't synchronize unless "the" time itself changes. e.g. people might have a system where they can drop their kids off and then go to work, but if their work is suddenly offset by an hour but the school isn't...

You can always unilaterally decide to do things on a different schedule; the problem is getting everyone else to do it too.

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Post by meowface »

singingboyo wrote: post #8
arachnids wrote: post #2

This is probably the most content-free article I have ever read.

Not only is it content-free, but it's either a) wildly inaccurate or b) horribly incompetent satire, at least the bits about the hour being gone forever.

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Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by intopieces »

taylodl wrote: post #11

So when the US East Coast springs forward 1 hour California is then going to be 4 hours behind? That's gonna make West Coast travel even worse.

Some clarification: California is currently not going to do anything in changing DST. This measure doesn't even propose making DST permanent or switching to PDT all the time, it just allows the legislature to talk about changing it.

Re: In Tuesday's Vote, California Opts for Year-Round Daylight Saving

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Post by jandrese »

singingboyo wrote: post #10

From [1], which is much better and more on-point, if still short: "Opponents of the proposition argue [...] the sun wouldn’t rise until 8 a.m. during some winter months, forcing children to walk to school or buses in darkness" Maybe school shouldn't start so early then? Starting at 8:30-9 would reduce a lot of that, though not all of it. Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what? Darkness is a fact of life, get…

The local TV news used to run the same story every DST change.

Like walking to school in the dark is worse than walking home from school in the dark?

The only advantage of the former is that it gives the sun a chance to warm up the air a bit more so it's not quite as cold in the morning.

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Post by fatnoah »

jandrese wrote: post #26
singingboyo wrote: post #10

From [1], which is much better and more on-point, if still short: "Opponents of the proposition argue [...] the sun wouldn’t rise until 8 a.m. during some winter months, forcing children to walk to school or buses in darkness" Maybe school shouldn't start so early then? Starting at 8:30-9 would reduce a lot of that, though not all of it. Also, as a Canadian and Vancouverite... so what? Darkness is a fact of life, get…

The local TV news used to run the same story every DST change. Like walking to school in the dark is worse than walking home from school in the dark? The only advantage of the former is that it gives the sun a chance to warm up the air a bit more so it's not quite as cold in the morning.

Not sure where you are, but where I'm from (Northeast US) the walk to and from school were usually in daylight hours, unless one happened to be 1-2 hours early or late.
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