Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA

Post by CydeWeys » Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

brobdingnagians wrote: post #148

xoa wrote: post #141

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> distinguish between "freedom to act as you see fit" and "discrimination" These are not linked, they are independent and orthogonal. The first is a matter of legal ability, the latter is a moral issue (that may under some circumstances also be illegal). There are many, many instances in life where you have the legal right to do something that is nonetheless despicable, and it is social consequences that moderate it…

Err, sure, I support freedom of choice and opposing evil, but calling someone evil for deciding to send their son to a boy's only summer camp seems a bit extreme to me. Civil society also depends on people being tolerant of those they disagree with and practicing kindness and persuasion when they do disagree. Sure, there are things that we set strict laws against and things we oppose morally whether they are legal or…

Post by grigjd3 » Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 2:48 PM UTC

russellbeattie wrote: post #112

Boy Scouts of America is a discriminatory religious organization with a ridiculously long record of exclusionary policies [1]. They don't "welcome" gay scouts, but permit them. Atheists still aren't allowed to be scout leaders. As a parent I refused to let my son have anything to do with them. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_member...

Post by Routhinator » Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 2:52 PM UTC

King-Aaron wrote: post #56

hyperrail wrote: post #4

In many English-speaking countries other than the US (including Canada and UK), the Girl Scouts are actually called Girl Guides - and thus both the (Boy) Scouts and (Girl) Guides could theoretically admit both sexes without name conflicts or confusing names by simply dropping the references to boys and girls in their names. For example, the British Boy Scouts organization is simply the "Scout Association" and has adm…

In Australia, it's also just the Scout Association. I was a Cub Scout, Scout, Venturer and Rover (all the age brackets), and we had girls involved every step of the way. In fact it used to come up quite often in discussion about how stupid it was that its still called 'Boy scouts' in America. Also it came up in discussion frequently that the Guides were rubbish, lol.

Post by jmpman » Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 2:52 PM UTC

brobdingnagians wrote: post #128

russellbeattie wrote: post #112

Boy Scouts of America is a discriminatory religious organization with a ridiculously long record of exclusionary policies [1]. They don't "welcome" gay scouts, but permit them. Atheists still aren't allowed to be scout leaders. As a parent I refused to let my son have anything to do with them. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_member...

I think it is important to distinguish between "freedom to act as you see fit" and "discrimation" per see. If you have a private organization and want to give good experiences to young men, then I think you should be able to do so. Someone else can make another organization for young women, or even one for both, each of these provides a unique experience for those who want it, and in a pluralistic society this kind o…

Post by grigjd3 » Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 2:56 PM UTC

fesoliveira wrote: post #151

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #144

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As is every club with any kind of charter. The DAR; the sports teams at my local high school; heck even girl's schools like Wellsley. And the religious component is contained in "adherence to spiritual principles, loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting therefrom" Its about teaching young people to respect spirituality, to accept loyalty in Scouts to their own faith. I can't…

It's not so simple as that. Atheists don't demand people to give up faith, but we try raise critical thinking in people so that their actions are guided by fact and evidence instead of blind adoration and faith. Teaching kids to blindly follow things instead of teaching them to think critically can be very harmful in the long run.