In Norway, they solved the problem by actually merging the two organizations. In 1978.
Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
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Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#82It's strange to me that Girl Scouts were able to have that name in the first place, once Boy Scouts already existed -- there's so much trademark confusion, for a long time I'd always assumed they were two branches of the same org, and trademarks aren't supposed to allow for this kind of confusion. I totally understand why Girl Scouts doesn't want to allow Boy Scouts to drop "Boy" because it feels unfair (neither shou…
It seems to have more to do with protecting the cookie sales that provide their livelihoods than it does with providing leadership growth for the girls. We have s friend who worked with GSA for a couple years and came away utterly disgusted with the amount of pressure that’s applied on all the local chapters and how much of the proceeds is extracted back to the mothership while providing essentially no services in re…
Where does the money go?
Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#83It's strange to me that Girl Scouts were able to have that name in the first place, once Boy Scouts already existed -- there's so much trademark confusion, for a long time I'd always assumed they were two branches of the same org, and trademarks aren't supposed to allow for this kind of confusion. I totally understand why Girl Scouts doesn't want to allow Boy Scouts to drop "Boy" because it feels unfair (neither shou…
It seems to have more to do with protecting the cookie sales that provide their livelihoods than it does with providing leadership growth for the girls. We have s friend who worked with GSA for a couple years and came away utterly disgusted with the amount of pressure that’s applied on all the local chapters and how much of the proceeds is extracted back to the mothership while providing essentially no services in re…
So it's just a good way to prepare those young people to the world of MLM.
Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#84In Norway, they solved the problem by actually merging the two organizations. In 1978.
True, but still a male Norwegian scout's international affiliation is with the WOSM (World Organization of the Scout Movement), whereas a female scout is with the WAGGGS (World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts); there are two distinct world organizations.
(Oh, and to complicate matters further, the YMCA/YWCA scouts and guides are not members of the national scout association; they have their own organization.)
On a domestic level, though, this works a charm.
Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#85Why don’t they just merge? If the Boy Scouts can go gender-neutral why can’t the Girl Scouts too?
Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#86Boy Scouts don't welcome girls: they get sued and vilified. Boy Scouts open membership to girls: they get sued and vilified.
Setious question: If they agree to name everything "Boy" again, can girls and women in the movement get sufficiently upset with that othering that they eventually sue too, for gender discrimination?
As a man, I'd be a little uncomfortable to join Woman Gamers or whatever, even if activities perfectly matched my interests.
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#87I don't get it 1 - "Scouts BSA" still has 'Boy' in the BSA initials
I don't get it 2 - 2018 USA still has separate "scouts" organizations for boys and girls?!
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#88Will we see a total ban on single gender clubs in the future? And is that what we want?
I don't get what is so wrong about having a few kids activities that are for just one of the genders. I think it's very healthy for kids to experience all the differences between boys and girls early on, to learn. But they should also be allowed to enjoy the company of just each other when they want to. It's an important process to understand how that part of reality functions. In sports this happens a lot and I think it's really healthy that girls aren't forced to play soccer with the boys all the time, but that there are girl teams and boys teams. Likewise for many sports.
Are we all becoming so politically correct that we effectively stop teaching our children the values of masculinity and femininity?
Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#89Will we see a total ban on single gender clubs in the future? And is that what we want? I don't get what is so wrong about having a few kids activities that are for just one of the genders. I think it's very healthy for kids to experience all the differences between boys and girls early on, to learn. But they should also be allowed to enjoy the company of just each other when they want to. It's an important process t…
It's like removing separation of genders for toilets and showers everywhere. The gender targetted marketting, clothes and pronuon.
On paper, the body is natural and it's a useless artificial separation. In practice, our society is imperfect, social norms and biological instincts don't align with moral and economy and logistic are important factors.
Besides, as you said, it's an interesting (and i believe benefecial) expefience to immerse one self in environnement with only your gender sometimes.
Re: Girl Scouts file trademark lawsuit as Boy Scouts plan to rename to Scouts BSA
#90Will we see a total ban on single gender clubs in the future? And is that what we want? I don't get what is so wrong about having a few kids activities that are for just one of the genders. I think it's very healthy for kids to experience all the differences between boys and girls early on, to learn. But they should also be allowed to enjoy the company of just each other when they want to. It's an important process t…
As a father of daughters in the UK who really really enjoy going to Scouts; camping, stupid rough-and tumble games etc, I'm glad they are able to. If the girl's organisations such as the GirlGuides weren't so tepid, perhaps there wouldn't be a need.
I don't see that there's anything particularly particularly "politically" correct in this. Mind you, I've never particularly felt an overwhelming urge to "teach my children the value of femininity".
Do you think I'm failing as a parent?