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Re: Three European Countries Block Tax on Tech Giants

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I didn't even need to click the link to know that Ireland was gonna be one of the three. It's like they have a vested interest, or something.

Good for them. France and Germany take endless steps to protect their domestic economic interests regardless of what any EU legislation or sense of fairness says, Ireland is well within their rights to do the same.

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post #17

A company that leverages the favourable infrastructure and institutions of a country without paying its fair share is quite simply siphoning money from the taxpayers of that country into the pockets of its shareholders, the money that maintains that infra and those institutions. Politicians need to take a step back and realize that whatever jobs these companies bring, they are still a net loss to the country as a who…

> whatever jobs these companies bring, they are still a net loss to the country as a whole, the country would literally be better off if those people were unemployed!

That’s quite the claim. Got anything to back it up?

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post #3

When one country can hold up the progress of the entire 27 member bloc because of their own self-interests the project looks very weak.

The decision-making process has mostly moved to the so-called "double majority" (half + 1 of member states, comprising 50%(?) of the population). Only some areas still require unanimous consent. And even those have historically not been insurmountable. What usually happens is a bundling of issues until you get an overall package that's net positive for everyone. What helped, historically, was a fundamental willingnes…

>> What usually happens is a bundling of issues until you get an overall package that's net positive for everyone.

That sounds too good to be true, can you give examples?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they're an obvious one. I was surprised though that Luxembourg wasn't listed whist Sweden and Denmark are. I'd be interested to here their objects if anyone can point at a fuller article or discussion of the issues.

This is from earlier this year, so the debate may have progressed since then, but Sweden and Denmarks' concerns seem to stem from the way in which the EU aims to apply the tax. >“A digital services tax deviates from fundamental principles of income taxation by applying the tax on gross income, i.e. without regard to whether the taxpayer is making a profit or not,” Swedish Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson, and her…

I guess the reason for applying the tax this way is that tech giants (and non-tech corporations) use creative accounting tricks to avoid making a profit and thus paying taxes to the countries they operate in.

It's either disguised as loan interest repayment or licensing fees, but the goal is tax avoidance.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they're an obvious one. I was surprised though that Luxembourg wasn't listed whist Sweden and Denmark are. I'd be interested to here their objects if anyone can point at a fuller article or discussion of the issues.

This is from earlier this year, so the debate may have progressed since then, but Sweden and Denmarks' concerns seem to stem from the way in which the EU aims to apply the tax. >“A digital services tax deviates from fundamental principles of income taxation by applying the tax on gross income, i.e. without regard to whether the taxpayer is making a profit or not,” Swedish Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson, and her…

I'm so happy the people of Sweden are sane, my biggest problem with these taxes is that they are on revenue which essentially makes all low margin internet businesses unprofitable. How does that benefit consumers?

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they're an obvious one. I was surprised though that Luxembourg wasn't listed whist Sweden and Denmark are. I'd be interested to here their objects if anyone can point at a fuller article or discussion of the issues.

This is from earlier this year, so the debate may have progressed since then, but Sweden and Denmarks' concerns seem to stem from the way in which the EU aims to apply the tax. >“A digital services tax deviates from fundamental principles of income taxation by applying the tax on gross income, i.e. without regard to whether the taxpayer is making a profit or not,” Swedish Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson, and her…

It's an intriguing concept.

What effect would a tax purely on size (income rather than profit) have on the world economy, if everyone were to adopt such policies? It would discourage large companies and encourage small ones.

It seems like employees do better when there is a bigger and more diverse marketplace for work, ie, many smaller companies. So they would win out, hopefully.

Customers may or may not do better. It would encourage companies to keep prices low to reduce gross income, and give an advantage to incumbents in the same marketplace. But one Amazon with it's fulfillment centers, delivery networks, etc, is more efficient than two overlapping half-sized Amazons. Twice the delivery trucks means twice the delivery costs and pollution.

Overall I'd be for such a system, provided it were not too onerous and didn't target specific companies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is from earlier this year, so the debate may have progressed since then, but Sweden and Denmarks' concerns seem to stem from the way in which the EU aims to apply the tax. >“A digital services tax deviates from fundamental principles of income taxation by applying the tax on gross income, i.e. without regard to whether the taxpayer is making a profit or not,” Swedish Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson, and her…

I'm so happy the people of Sweden are sane, my biggest problem with these taxes is that they are on revenue which essentially makes all low margin internet businesses unprofitable. How does that benefit consumers?

Facebook, Amazon and co. are "low margin internet businesses"?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is from earlier this year, so the debate may have progressed since then, but Sweden and Denmarks' concerns seem to stem from the way in which the EU aims to apply the tax. >“A digital services tax deviates from fundamental principles of income taxation by applying the tax on gross income, i.e. without regard to whether the taxpayer is making a profit or not,” Swedish Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson, and her…

I'm so happy the people of Sweden are sane, my biggest problem with these taxes is that they are on revenue which essentially makes all low margin internet businesses unprofitable. How does that benefit consumers?

Honest question: why should I as a person be taxed on income (the closest I guess I can get to the concept of revenue) but a business should be taxed on profit? Can anyone explain to me the basis for such a distinction?

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Apple and Facebook are currently building massive datacentres in Denmark, and Google has bought two plots for future datacentres.

They have definitely been wooed to denmark, labour and consumer electricity prices are some of the highest in the world.

https://facebook.com/OdenseDataCenter/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-denmark/apple-to-bu...

https://stateofgreen.com/en/partners/state-of-green/news/goo...

Re: Three European Countries Block Tax on Tech Giants

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so happy the people of Sweden are sane, my biggest problem with these taxes is that they are on revenue which essentially makes all low margin internet businesses unprofitable. How does that benefit consumers?

Honest question: why should I as a person be taxed on income (the closest I guess I can get to the concept of revenue) but a business should be taxed on profit? Can anyone explain to me the basis for such a distinction?

Income taxes are a badly implemented tax so you wont get an argument from me there. We shouldn't be extending bad policy.
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