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Cancer-Linked Chemicals Manufactured by 3M Are Turning Up in Drinking Water

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Chemicals in the drinking water, plastic in the salt. It's either you embrace ignorance or live in fear of what is in your food, drink, air. Kind of depressing.

"Embrace ignorance or feel afraid" describes the situation for literally every significant problem.

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The answer is almost definitely yes, at least in great part. Furthermore, the top two killers in America are heart disease and cancer. 80% of heart disease is preventable by diet - avoiding foods that cause insulin resistance (sugar) and gut dysfunction (chemicals). The top cancer and many others are triggered by environmental variables (chemicals). And I know I am going to be downvoted for not citing, maybe someone…

Don’t forget seed oils!

Good point, though it might trigger the correlation-not-causation debate.

When one has a widespread, general rise in cancer and vascular disease, one should look for a systemic cause. The general perception is changing from 'cancer is genetic' to 'cancer is environmental', although oncologists have long known it. The California Prop 65 warnings are a start at raising awareness, though more risible than alarming.

I hope we start testing, treating & preventing causes, whether it's pathogens (HPV) or chemicals (benzene) causing cancer. Or other disease triggers like Alzheimer's (zoster) or ischemic event triggers (periodontal).

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What are the current best Home Water Filter we could get? Are the Brita MAXTRA+ any good? And which one is the most affordable? ( We now need to paid extra money to get drinking water, in many ways I think this is backward as a society )

Brita's are pretty much unless unfortunately. As are most pitcher style filter systems. Faucet mounted systems are probably the easiest way to go (eg Pur), but better under the counter or household water filters do exist. Its also worth mentioning that there good chance that a water filter won't actually filter this out. Water treatment plants will often treat the water through multiple levels of filtration, reverse…

> Brita's are pretty much unless unfortunately.

How do you figure that? They're the same carbon filters as found in the faucet systems.

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Although surely not serious, lots of naivete here. This assumes everyone values personal health over financial health. This prevents anyone from wanting to get elected to fix an existing problem. This places guilt even on the innocent if they are subjected to upstream or state-level pollution. On and on and on. You either have a problem with existing laws not being enforced or there not being laws to enforce concerni…

"Although surely not serious ..." Not your parent but I took it seriously and I think "skin in the game" structures like this should be taken very seriously - they are likely the best mechanisms for aligning interests. "This assumes everyone values personal health over financial health." Very easy to solve this one - the elected official doesn't eat the fish and drink the water, their children do . "This prevents any…

""This assumes everyone values personal health over financial health."

Very easy to solve this one - the elected official doesn't eat the fish and drink the water, their children do."

Even that doesn't seem to work in a very large number of cases. Look at how many people choose to locate their families in polluted cities for the financial benefits when the deleterious effects on health are so well studied and documented. There's just not enough immediacy of the effects of breathing polluted air or eating a fish contaminated with carcinogens.

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What are the current best Home Water Filter we could get? Are the Brita MAXTRA+ any good? And which one is the most affordable? ( We now need to paid extra money to get drinking water, in many ways I think this is backward as a society )

I live in one of the highly contaminated municipalities-- almost everyone here is doing GAC (granular activated carbon) on all water entering the home, and Reverse Osmosis at point-of-use. Idea being that the GAC gets a good amount of the problem filtered out for water you might use topically, and GAC+RO for drinking, cooking, etc. ideally gets almost everything for water you ingest. RO is not good at providing high flow rates without giant reserve tanks, so it's a reasonable trade off. The cost is not bad, each system is a couple hundred bucks, and simple enough to DIY install if you're so inclined.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although surely not serious, lots of naivete here. This assumes everyone values personal health over financial health. This prevents anyone from wanting to get elected to fix an existing problem. This places guilt even on the innocent if they are subjected to upstream or state-level pollution. On and on and on. You either have a problem with existing laws not being enforced or there not being laws to enforce concerni…

More people value personal health over financial health than would admit in a survey. They just often don't realize it until they've lost their health.

Case in point: people pay for health services.

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There’s an auto supplier upstream of my town that was dumping PFAs into the drain. It’s containminated the whole river and all the lakes. The river is where my town gets our drinking water.

They are installing carbon filters which should help. I use a carbon filter for all our water.

The thing is we have a dixione plume approaching our water intake too.

The parts per trillion is kinda mind blowing too. Take a large pool, let’s say 40,000 gallons. There’s 90,000 drops per gallon. So your pool is made of 3.6 billion drops of water.

It takes .0036 drops of this stuff to raise your pools concentration to 1 part per trillion. That means a quarter of a drop of this stuff will turn the pool into something that is above EPA limits.

It’s insane and mind blowing.

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There’s an auto supplier upstream of my town that was dumping PFAs into the drain. It’s containminated the whole river and all the lakes. The river is where my town gets our drinking water. They are installing carbon filters which should help. I use a carbon filter for all our water. The thing is we have a dixione plume approaching our water intake too. The parts per trillion is kinda mind blowing too. Take a large p…

Ann Arbor?

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What kind of equipment would you need to check your drinking water for any kind of contamination? What would it cost? Just curious.

"What kind of equipment would you need to check your drinking water for any kind of contamination? What would it cost?" You need to send it away for testing - it would be impractical to home test for all of the things you'd want to test for. It's likely that your local municipality has a testing service that you can send water into for $50 or $100 and have rough testing done for lead and e-coli and crypto and so on.…

The appropriate local municipality is probably your county health department, who almost certainly has results from the last time your home was sold on file. Here, it's $15 to retest, or a couple bucks and a FOIA request to get all previous records.

I do have 65 ppt of PFAS in my well water (one of the gray dots in West Michigan, where Wolverine operated a tannery that dumped Scotchguard-treated leather scrap in local swamps). The test for that (and various other contaminants) ran $650. Yeah, Wolverine is paying for that and the carbon filters in my basement, but it kinda sucks to have been drinking it for 30 years. At least they caught it when my kid was onky exposed in the womb and his formula until he was 1...

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There was an excellent article in the NYT a couple of years ago about the fight against the PFAS industry (PFOA, etc.) [1]. The legal fight against DuPont, 3M and others has been going on for decades, and their environmental abuses have been going on since the 1950s. PFAS are scary, and they're absolutely everywhere. And every time a much-maligned pollutant such as PFOA or PFOS gets phased out or banned, a new fluoro…

I came here to post the exact same link. It was a fantastic and well researched article with tons of details and left me feeling sad at the situation but happy that there was someone who fought for helping people out.

Here's another that's in a very similar vein that had some solid research behind it. It'll probably leave you in the same state the NY Times article above will but it's a must-read. I don't think enough people will see it or your link unfortunately. https://theintercept.com/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-decepti...

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