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Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by sosuke »

sosuke wrote: post #88

To answer some of the questions as to why people do this. To try to get ahead. To try and advance. To move up. If you don't hustle, if you aren't trying to advance then how could you ever expect to move up financially? Think of it in the small scale at a fast food joint. You bus tables, sweep etc. If you do just that you can do just that forever. You can also do more to try and get promoted. You can also do less and…

To my downvote. Tell me how you get ahead without working harder than you're currently working? How do you get a raise without showing you've put in the requisite work? How do you gain the experience you need to move from junior to senior other than working harder.

I'd say you could get there with time. But how do you make future possiblities happen in the present without working harder.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by asdff »

dmux wrote: post #172
stupidbird wrote: post #102

"hustle culture" is a scam that's tricking you into robbing yourself of worker's rights I suppose when it comes to the advertising industry, hustle culture is at least better than misogyny and alcoholism

Would setting up an LLC for yourself help protect some of those rights?

It would probably just confuse HR directors and your application would get passed over.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by zamber »

rabidrat wrote: post #199
dwaltrip wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society is crumbling...? I'm pretty sure the data doesn't back that up. We face many problems, to be sure, but this is nothing new.

It doesn't matter what the data says, the feeling that our society is crumbling is palpable, and that is what drives this overwork. People my age (40s) and younger do not believe that our institutions will be able to support us in our old age and retirement. We do not even believe that the earth's ecosystems will be able to support us (as a group) then. In 30 years, we as individuals better have resources accumulated…

I'm waiting for a massive exodus of US citizens to Europe for healthcare.

Also the perceived society crumbling is self-imposed. Raging culture wars, terrorism as an excuse for totalitarian paranoia, freely accessible firearms, school shootings, obesity epidemic, trade tariffs, monopolistic corporations lobbying for laws, ecological disasters.

Frankly, I'm happy with my European backwater if the cost of getting off well after WW2 would be the list above. No wonder the US collectively is stressed out to the extreme.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by Nasrudith »

apatters wrote: post #24

I'm American but I've lived overseas for nearly a decade, and I hardly ever go back. In recent years when I meet other Americans who are visiting my city, I often get this vague feeling that they're just trying too hard in one way or another. Maybe they're working too hard, or trying too hard to impress someone, or get attention, or assert themselves. I don't know if I've changed or if America is changed or if it's s…

I think insecurity is a driver for it. Fear that if they work just 40 hours they'll get replaced with somebody working 50. Not to mention some cases of sociopathic "sacrifice mentality" where they think if they aren't extracting as much as possible they are leaving money on the table even when both productivity and cost are the opposite with turnover. People living paycheck to paycheck excaberates it.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by wpietri »

rabidrat wrote: post #169
wpietri wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. The intense self-focus and zero-sum mentality in that line of thinking ignores that a more collaborative approach can get better results for everybody.

I agree that it can get better results. But I'm not sure if you've noticed that the political party-in-power in the US is actively against collaborative approaches. I'd love to cooperate and win-win for everyone, but at some point you have to acknowledge that it's going to take a larger effort than is currently available.

I think you're confusing the current condition of the federal government with America as a whole. At state and local levels, there are plenty of examples of more collaborative thinking. And a great deal of what happens in any country happens with little relation to the government. We can always collaborate as individuals.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by anigbrowl »

lanewinfield wrote: post #73
esotericn wrote: post #2

So, this is the industry that: - puts flashing colored boxes in front of our faces at any possible opportunity - requires us to click through multiple popups to access almost any for-profit website - has normalized the act of wasting human life at a mass scale by injecting multi-minute time-wasting sessions in activities "How hustle culture took over"? It's a hustle by default. I'd call it a swindle.

Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?

Please, advertising is not the only viable business or economic model. Darn right I hate omnipresent intrusive brainwashing and the cognitive and aesthetic pollution it generates.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by Nasrudith »

why_only_15 wrote: post #171
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countless social revolutions started from people who had the time to get socially engaged e.g. students and academics. Keeping people busy with real or artificial work is extremely common in dictatorships.

Could you give an example of this - a society with a dictatorship that endeavors to give people artificial work?

There was also the old age of sail "anti-idleness" laws which also had issues of believing their own lies and causation correlations that it caused crime and sin. There are plenty of what are now clearly goddamned moronic social theories then in the 15th to 19th centuries - and it sadly isn't an exclusive to then and ones of modern vintage exist as well. They honestly thought people drinking until they pass out in the bar was socially preferable to walking around town.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by anigbrowl »

lanewinfield wrote: post #82
eiaoa wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money? 1. Have less annoying ads that respect the user. 2. Charge money. 3. Some novel funding model that's unexplored because obnoxious ads dominate everything and suck all the air out of the room.

Let me preface this by a large percentage of people in advertising are not creating #1. BUT: 1. That's fair, but it takes time and talent to create these. 2. Clearly that isn't working; see almost any news site in existence 3. This is a hope, and a nice one. https://scroll.com/

3. OK they have a different business model and lots of content partners, but they won't tell you what it is, just invite you to sign up. I'm guessing it involves monetizing email addresses. If this content free proposition is your idea of a nice prospect, what is it based on? Anyone can say they have laudable goals, like beauty contestants who aspire to bring about world peace and end hunger. Perhaps they're just saying nice things without any real capability or intention to deliver?

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by asdff »

munchbunny wrote: post #170

I know this is a snarky comment, but... is it surprising that an industry built entirely on framing things to look better has a problem of workers having to frame themselves to look like better workers? I do think we should aspire to better, but the extra image consciousness seems like the common thread here.

The problem is, this is affecting every industry. I have friends in accounting for instance, and if you aren't prompt with your emails over the weekend, if you aren't early at work and late to leave, etc, you will not be promoted.

I have friends in law and its the same thing; If you aren't putting up 55+ hr weeks, you are going to get an awkward reference and won't get your next job.

The problem is universal in early careers, and entirely absent in mid to late careers. We all know that for X amount of entry level hires there's only Y amount at the top of the food chain, but when people are being pushed out of the field for not being able to devote all their available waking hours to an entry level position rather than rewarding real skill and prowess, the situation is completely untenable. In 25 years, senior positions won't be filled by the most clever or bright workers, but whoever was able to slog through being overworked and underpaid and put their life on hold for their first 15 years out of college.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by someguydave »

varjag wrote: post #93
someguydave wrote: post #26

Meanwhile over in this other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18271834 We learn that you aren't really an "entrepreneur" unless you are a salesman. Business without "hustle" is unthinkable?

Every traditional business is living from sales, it's incredible you find this shocking.

I suppose it's surprising to me because I interpret the word "hustle" to mean something like "tricking the customer into paying more than needed to turn a profit on a trade"
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