How hustle culture took over advertising • Hacker News Board

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:07 PM UTC

brootstrap wrote: post #159

esotericn wrote: post #85

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Examples, with specific citation: My local bus stop has adverts (London). My local metro station does too (London). They're all over the roads (UK). They're in pubs (UK). They're on paid television services (Sky). They're on paid programs (Windows 10). They're shown before movies (cinema, UK). Advertising is _everywhere_, in paid services, unpaid services, whatever. Unless I'm in my own, or a friend's private home I…

oh man now you give me ideas... kind of like the guy who tattooed an AD on his face. For 1c per post i will let your company put some BS tagline in all of my reddit/HN/forum posts

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Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by peterwwillis » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:10 PM UTC

lanewinfield wrote: post #73

esotericn wrote: post #2

So, this is the industry that: - puts flashing colored boxes in front of our faces at any possible opportunity - requires us to click through multiple popups to access almost any for-profit website - has normalized the act of wasting human life at a mass scale by injecting multi-minute time-wasting sessions in activities "How hustle culture took over"? It's a hustle by default. I'd call it a swindle.

Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?

Back in the ancient times, about 20 years ago, people would exchange goods and services for bits of paper and metal trinkets.

It seems like the future is getting a free refridgerator that you pay for by watching an ad before you can take out the milk. (Oops, did I just spoil someone's startup?)

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by kazen44 » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:12 PM UTC

eiaoa wrote: post #87

jensv wrote: post #52

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Tradespeople will unionize and collectively bargain. Technology types generally don't do this.

> Technology types generally don't do this. And the rationale isn't too different from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONKkoiszVSs&t=409

I find it funny that people seem to think unions are these "shadow" type of organisations where no one has any say in how it should be run.

Unions are made up by people of a certain field/study...

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by gowld » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:15 PM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #162

lanewinfield wrote: post #73

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Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?

Back in the ancient times, about 20 years ago, people would exchange goods and services for bits of paper and metal trinkets. It seems like the future is getting a free refridgerator that you pay for by watching an ad before you can take out the milk. (Oops, did I just spoil someone's startup?)

The history of religion disagrees with your view of ancient times. Swindlers have always been on the psychological attack. The difference now is that they are more invasive in more of the minutes of our lives.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:16 PM UTC

Hydraulix989 wrote: post #156

jimbokun wrote: post #153

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Almost no one in the US has a problem with getting enough food. Maybe substandard nutrition, but no one is going to starve. Healthcare and education are areas where a common option could make a major difference in people's lives. But I think the "community" has to be pretty large to make a meaningful impact.

This may be true in socially progressive areas such as Silicon Valley, but it is far from the case anywhere else. Hunger is further down Maslow's pyramid. You can't even begin thinking about things like education until you are able to adequately eat. http://map.feedingamerica.org

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Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by gowld » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:16 PM UTC

canadianwriter wrote: post #116

Ygg2 wrote: post #43

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EDIT: Make sure you don't click the link but copy and paste it. It seems the author is intercepting all traffic from HN site to an interesting image.

The url is cut off in the web view of HN so I can't even copy and paste it.... nice.

Context-click to get the URL. If you can click it, you can copy it.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by jsonne » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:16 PM UTC

pl0x wrote: post #157

Gary Vaynerchuk is one of those clowns that encourages people to work to their bones and sometimes comes off as selling snake out. Leonie Dawnson did a great write up of him. https://leoniedawson.com/the-horror-pitchfest-an-honest-revi...

Getting hit with her course (For only $79!!!!1!!11!) at the end of the article is such a hilarious pot kettle situation and lack of self awareness I'm frankly stunned.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by gowld » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:19 PM UTC

This article is apparently about nothing, and it doesn't example" how" anything happened. People show off for other people to gain status and manipulate others. This is not news.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by rabidrat » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:20 PM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #152

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #148

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This is the "appeal to worse problems" fallacy. Given that the US is wealthier than most of Europe and yet people work much longer hours with little worker protection, people could could demand much better.

Yup. The intense self-focus and zero-sum mentality in that line of thinking ignores that a more collaborative approach can get better results for everybody.

I agree that it can get better results. But I'm not sure if you've noticed that the political party-in-power in the US is actively against collaborative approaches. I'd love to cooperate and win-win for everyone, but at some point you have to acknowledge that it's going to take a larger effort than is currently available.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by munchbunny » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 8:23 PM UTC

I know this is a snarky comment, but... is it surprising that an industry built entirely on framing things to look better has a problem of workers having to frame themselves to look like better workers?

I do think we should aspire to better, but the extra image consciousness seems like the common thread here.