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Microsoft Beats Amazon in 12-Month Cloud Revenue

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AWS includes their PaaS AWS service offerings in their revenue, no (Cognito, dev tools, Workspaces, etc)? Why wouldn't Microsoft include O365 and Dynamics then? Raw compute and storage isn't where the money is at long term, it's the lock in value add services (especially with Kubernetes and Hashicorp making multicloud and portability first class). Sidenote: I have seen A TON of open roles looking for Azure and GCP sk…

Open roles for Azure & GCP might remain open for longer because of lower supply and poorer matching, not because of higher positions being searched for. The AWS talent market probably clears more easily given that it has existed longer.

I don't disagree. I'd also argue it's because certain retail clients won't use AWS for obvious reasons like not funding your competitor (based on conversations I've had with retail clients).

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These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.” When talking about compute cloud they are still way behind Amazon although you don’t get that from the misleading headline.

This is nearly a "no true Scotsman" definition of cloud revenue, where if Amazon doesn't have a product in a market segment it shouldn't count. Google and Microsoft both have offerings in the cloud SaaS office suite market segment, and it's a real liability for Amazon that they do not.

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These numbers are so misleading. I understand why they are the numbers published, but AWS vs Azure last time I heard real numbers was approximately a 3:1 market share ratio. Including Office 365, Dynamics, etc doesn't make sense to me. We don't include Prime in Amazon Cloud, AFAIK.

AWS has WorkMail and WorkDocs, which is in the same space as Office 365. Amazon Connect sounds similar to Microsoft Dynamics, though I'm not really familiar with either.

Amazon isn't currently a major player in that arena, but they are still competing under the Amazon banner.

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Very anectodal, but some things are better on Azure, because they were late to the party, for example azure blob storage. It costs the same as s3, but it supports journaling, so you can do journal archives. You can run your main thing on aws and keep backups on azure. If you wanted backups with journaling on AWS, you'd have to use EFS at minimum, which is orders of magnitude more expensive.

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post #5

These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.” When talking about compute cloud they are still way behind Amazon although you don’t get that from the misleading headline.

This is nearly a "no true Scotsman" definition of cloud revenue, where if Amazon doesn't have a product in a market segment it shouldn't count. Google and Microsoft both have offerings in the cloud SaaS office suite market segment, and it's a real liability for Amazon that they do not.

they do.

https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/

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These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.” When talking about compute cloud they are still way behind Amazon although you don’t get that from the misleading headline.

The article discusses "cloud revenue" of $26.7b but the more relevant Azure revenue is less than a third of that.

"Microsoft hasn’t disclosed how much revenue Azure brings in, but the Evercore analysts estimated that it generated more $7.74 billion in the 2018 fiscal year."

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/microsoft-earnings-q1-2019.h...

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post #5

These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.” When talking about compute cloud they are still way behind Amazon although you don’t get that from the misleading headline.

On the flip side, I believe Amazon counts their Office and Drop/Box competitors under AWS as well so it may not be as apples to oranges as first perceived.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nearly a "no true Scotsman" definition of cloud revenue, where if Amazon doesn't have a product in a market segment it shouldn't count. Google and Microsoft both have offerings in the cloud SaaS office suite market segment, and it's a real liability for Amazon that they do not.

they do. https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/

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post #5

These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.” When talking about compute cloud they are still way behind Amazon although you don’t get that from the misleading headline.

The article discusses "cloud revenue" of $26.7b but the more relevant Azure revenue is less than a third of that. "Microsoft hasn’t disclosed how much revenue Azure brings in, but the Evercore analysts estimated that it generated more $7.74 billion in the 2018 fiscal year." From: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/microsoft-earnings-q1-2019.h...

Even then, Azure services are consumed in the context of Office 365. (Azure AD)

Re: Microsoft Beats Amazon in 12-Month Cloud Revenue

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post #5

These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.” When talking about compute cloud they are still way behind Amazon although you don’t get that from the misleading headline.

Given that Azure's market share is so much smaller than AWS wouldn't this just be "Azure has higher markups that AWS"
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