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Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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voting for plain text or pen and paper. What I've found most helpful is writing down 'predicted time required' next to each task. And then if you run over adding an additional prediction next to it. And if you run under writing how long it actually took. I quickly realized my poor time management was due to habitually underestimating the time certain types of tasks take me to complete. An additional benefit is if you…

The best compromise that I've found between plain text and a structured to-do sytem is TaskPaper. It's more or less a to-do enhanced notepad and it's the only to-do system that I've manged to stick with for more than a week. I think it's because it's so free-form that it works for me. Like a dynamic outline. If you're a mac person, it's worth checking out: http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/products/taskpaper

There's Org mode in Emacs, too: http://orgmode.org/

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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The best compromise that I've found between plain text and a structured to-do sytem is TaskPaper. It's more or less a to-do enhanced notepad and it's the only to-do system that I've manged to stick with for more than a week. I think it's because it's so free-form that it works for me. Like a dynamic outline. If you're a mac person, it's worth checking out: http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/products/taskpaper

On ubuntu. I actually just created a simple To Do App using web.py and mysql, might throw it on github this weekend.

Please do!

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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I work in an environment with unstable plans (computer vision research lab), so my TODO system has become very dynamic over time. The basics:

org-mode. org-mode is a wonderful TODO extension for Emacs. I add a new file to org-mode's global TODO list every day. I tried keeping individual project files, but using tags to separate projects ended up being the least-effort system.

Break up tasks. As with code, work can be decomposed into small, orthogonal tasks. Take a small amount of time to enter a TODO item for each one. I'm only human - I'd much rather start a small task than a large one. If I discover I finished something, but there's not a corresponding TODO item, I add it and close it. Why deprive myself the satisfaction?

Lazy update. Since I have several small tasks that represent a job to be done, I only revisit my TODO list every few hours for cleanup (and to ensure I haven't forgotten anything). Touching my TODO list whenever I do something is overkill.

Loose prioritizing. I track the importance of each line-item by Low, Medium, and High priority. 80% of items are Medium priority, and most of the rest are High. These are just suggestions: for instance, I pick short Medium tasks before starting long High priority tasks.

Relentlessly prune. Plans change. Just delete irrelevant or items from your list and move on. I tracked closing information on line-items for over a year until I realized that I had never needed to go back to look at the resolution information or start/end timestamps. Over a year after I stopped, I still haven't.

Know when to let go. When something needs to be done yesterday, someone asks every 30 minutes if you are finished. You don't need other reminders. Skip the TODO list and get to work.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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I have used Remember the Milk for the last three years. I find that being able to collect 100% of what I need to do is the most important thing for me. Since I can access RTM from my desktop, mobile, or even email (maybe even text msg?) I am almost always able to get the task into it from anywhere.

Once the tasks are in the system, I prefer something computer based so I can organize it quickly over paper based. I know a lot of the tasks in the system are not things I'm going to get around to soon, but I'd rather dump them onto a list and stop thinking about them than have it pop up in my head over and over.

I do my weekly reviews on friday and monday. I find it helps to do more frequent, but smaller reviews.

I don't really use any of the advanced features of RTM though (tags, smart search etc).

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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In GTD, anything that requires more than 1 action is a project, so implementing a minor feature for a client that takes an hour might actually be a project, because it has multiple steps. When I say “high-level project”, I mean collections of GTD-projects around a related node, like building a web application for a client, or learning iOS. This "feature" of GTD is what finally got me off of it after years as a religi…

That is very true, but I use GTD to handle all of the stuff that are not important to the big project I'm working on.

Groceries, household chores, personal finance, emails to random people, phone calls, car maitenance. Most of the things on my list I can't do right now anyway, but don't want to forget later.

The end result is that when you are working on the big project that matters, you aren't distracted by constantly thinking "oh crap, I have to remember to pickup bread tonight, and call the DMV and find out why they lost my title, and setup a dentist appointment" (all things on my todo for today), but you can sit there and focus with nothing random coming up in your head.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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I know that migrating a todo system is a nightmare and technology is not the only answer but I have tried Omnifocus and found Remember The Milk (http://www.rememberthemilk.com) much better.

One of the main reasons is that you say: "I don’t use the system consistently enough to trust it". I found that with remember the milk I have it on my iPhone so it is accessible everywhere and then syncs to a web accesible site - so it doesn't matter if you are in front of a MAC with the software installed or not. For me at least this significantly increased my use of it, and also because I have my phone in meetings I can add actions directly in, saving the time transposing from notpad to system.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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My most effective and sustainable todo system has, so far, been a notebook with a new page for each day. On the evening the previous day (ideally... sometimes on the morning of the current day) I look at the previous day's tasks and copy the uncompleted ones onto a new page, then add to that page as I go along. This forces me to review and eliminate tasks that I blatantly won't do (self-cleaning) and keeps track of o…

I was going to say the same thing. I tried org-mode (I'm a heavy Emacs user) and it didn't stick, I think the simplicity is what makes this doable. Also I have a nice history of tasks and it isn't tied to my computer or mobile device. I don't have to worry about syncing or backup or files piling up never to be read again or any of that garbage.

If you have tasks for managing your todo list on your todo list then it is too complicated.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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post #46

I use a hosts file of ad site domains aliased to localhost. A web server on my machine redirects the default page at localhost to my to-do list on http://rememberthemilk.com . In addition, I use OpenDNS to block distracting sites, and redirect block.opendns.com to localhost, which is then redirected to my to-do list.

Remember that add-on that replaced web ads with fine art? Makes me think that someone should make an add-on that replaces web-ads with things that you need to do in large type. I wouldn't know how to make it, so someone's welcome to run with the idea if they think people might use it.

I had thought of doing this also, and a few people to whom I showed the system to mentioned a Firefox add-on that substitutes art for advertisements.

It bothers me that personal computers replicate the internal chatter of the mind. The web itself seems designed to prey on human weakness, to encourage wilfing through the Internet and short-term gratification, and to discourage learning and the development of self-control.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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voting for plain text or pen and paper. What I've found most helpful is writing down 'predicted time required' next to each task. And then if you run over adding an additional prediction next to it. And if you run under writing how long it actually took. I quickly realized my poor time management was due to habitually underestimating the time certain types of tasks take me to complete. An additional benefit is if you…

I think paper-based is the best, which I find slightly odd given my heavy reliance on technology day to day. But it just works.

I create an updated list once a week or so, then I use a highlighter to highlight my next most important tasks (2 or 3), then work through them and cross them off the list. Combined with setting my one or two most critical goals for the day, this has worked out quite well.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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post #54

No-one's mentioned AbstractSpoon's ToDoList yet? I've been using it consistently for 6 months now. It took a couple of hours to go through the huge list of options tweaking it to my liking, but it's worth it.

If you're on Windows (or like Wine), it's worth checking out. I've used it extensively; it hits a sweet spot of quick yet freeform enough to accommodate different recording requirements. And the developer, Dan, is a quite nice bloke.
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