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Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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voting for plain text or pen and paper. What I've found most helpful is writing down 'predicted time required' next to each task. And then if you run over adding an additional prediction next to it. And if you run under writing how long it actually took. I quickly realized my poor time management was due to habitually underestimating the time certain types of tasks take me to complete. An additional benefit is if you…

Old pencil and pauper might replace my $25/month todo system (Basecamp).

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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I use Notational Velocity ( http://notational.net ) and a single text note within it (I get to it by typing "todo"). I have sections for "this week", "next week", "this month", "next month", and "someday". If I weren't using NV, I'd use Notepad.exe or TextMate or TextEdit. I wouldn't use anything more complex than those. I adjust things on my (multiple times a) weekly review. Stuff that needs to be done on a specific…

I created http://untodos.com last year with similar groupings (today/soon/whenever). I used it for about a year but stopping using it because adding/removing tasks individually was too much work and I much preferred managing nested todo lists in a text-editor with code-collapse features (so I could hide entire sublists). Earlier this year I created http://bulletxt.com (text-editor like todo/outline app with collapse)…

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Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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My TODO system is more a motivational system than TODO list - I have a text file in which I record what I'm doing throughout the day with a resolution of ~5mins.

SO I might have:

08:30 - Wakeup, check social messages, read cartoons, breakfast. 08:45 - Shower, Clean Teeth, Shave.

Things which need doing in the future go at the bottom then when I'm starting them I can just put the current time on to mark them as current.

At the end of the day I divide the time into useful and non-useful blocks and calculate a ratio: useful time / time wasted.

It has had some unexpected but good effects, for example I cook myself much better meals. I know good food makes a difference to me and I allow myself that as time well spent. Previously I'd have been too worried about not doing X important thing and so have stressed out and wasted time on facebook instead.

I'm planning on making a web-app version of this, I'll do a HN post on it if anyones interested.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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I created http://untodos.com last year with similar groupings (today/soon/whenever). I used it for about a year but stopping using it because adding/removing tasks individually was too much work and I much preferred managing nested todo lists in a text-editor with code-collapse features (so I could hide entire sublists). Earlier this year I created http://bulletxt.com (text-editor like todo/outline app with collapse)…

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It appears to be a network issue at my host. Sorry about the downtime. I'm certain it will be resolved shortly.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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"I’ve talked to a lot of people who have skipped from todo system to todo system, getting an initial high of productivity and then moving on. Maybe that’s just how it has to be; perhaps our brains are wired such that we need to vary our routines and methodologies or we slack off over time."

Sounds like the Hawthorne effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect

"The Hawthorne effect is a form of reactivity whereby subjects improve or modify an aspect of their behavior being experimentally measured simply in response to the fact that they are being studied, not in response to any particular experimental manipulation."

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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In GTD, anything that requires more than 1 action is a project, so implementing a minor feature for a client that takes an hour might actually be a project, because it has multiple steps. When I say “high-level project”, I mean collections of GTD-projects around a related node, like building a web application for a client, or learning iOS. This "feature" of GTD is what finally got me off of it after years as a religi…

I've had this experience as well doing research. GTD is great for doing many small tasks that are hard to remember, but I always seem to have tasks that are hard to break up. Something like "Make machine learning method X work for data Y". Sure there are lots of mechanical things like importing/exporting data that are easily tracked GTD style, but then there is the core problem, that is very difficult to break up ahe…

I'm in a similar boat, and I also often find that figuring out what the larger task needs to be broken up in to is part of the process. I don't know all the steps until I'm partway through the process in the first place.

This is similar to a problem I have delegating tasks. Not always, but often by the time I detail out things that need to be done, and how to do them, for someone else with less experience, I could have just done the work faster. In the short term this is incredibly frustrating, and I balance that out by telling myself that over the long haul, getting others up to my level on certain tasks will mean I don't have to do it at all. But determining when to delegate and when to do, with real world deadlines involved, is stressful.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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org-mode

I love org-mode too but it doesn't work for the mobile world. My use of org-mode has dropped dramatically since I started using a Nexus One. I desperately need a todo manager like org-mode but optimized for touch interfaces and w/ cloud-based sync so I can manage my todos between the many different devices I use.

Re: Is there such a thing as a sustainable todo system?

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I've also tried many different things. I also went the digital route by creating Zen To Done App (http://zentodoneapp.com - also on github). But even with designing and developing my own app, I prefer the pen and pencil method. It's just so much more tactile and responsive. I use a blank moleskine with a #2 pencil or pen; that's always with me.
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