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What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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Few thoughts: For me personally, I experience a lot of ego depletion during the day. But having kids tends to do that. There's no way I can write at the end of the day, I'm just way to mentally tired. Also as someone who both codes and writes, writing is far more emotionally taxing. Coding is problem solving - there is usually a clear path to follow and I generally know when I've solved a problem. Writing for me is u…

I too find that after a 10-hour day, I can not do anything productive. My best time is morning till early afternoon. I think ego depletion definitely has some anecdotal evidence. Most of us can only do quality focused work when our mind is clear after sleep. If you look at the data gwern provided, some of the supposedly owls actually sleep till noon, and do work immediately after waking up. That is not an "owl" in my…

I disagree.

On a fundamental level, there's no way to draw a line demarcating owls, and otherwise non-owls. It's a false dichotomy, founded on behavior alone, which is subject to peer influence, and other sources of behavior modification. All people lead lives distorted by circumstance, particularly when it comes to circadian rhythm. The behavioral effects of daylight savings time prove this. Casual caffeine consumption is another fact to poison the well.

Anyway, I'm routinely up until three or four in the morning. I despise getting up for a nine to five work day, but I do it. Every chance I get, to sleep in, I take it.

Many times, what's really going on, I've discovered, during periods of extended vacation or unemployment, is that I wind up in rotations that push my bed time forward by a couple of hours every day, and then I sleep for any number of hours, until my body need me to get up, and begin my routine. This pushes me all the way from a midnight bed time, around the entire clock, realigning with a midnight bed time in less than two weeks.

Technically, this is classified as a disorder:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep-wake_disorde...

When I get locked into as static 9 AM, alarm induced wake pattern, this frequently expresses itself as pulling an all-nighter, just to realign with the totalitarian nature of the work week, such that I might arrive to work on time, for some bullshit, daily 10 AM scrum stand-up, or whatever. It also leaves me really fucking moody, including symptoms of seasonal affective disorder.

But you know what? I'm not crazy. I'm not sick. I'm just forced to live my life on other people's terms for economic reasons, because I wasn't born into a trust fund, and I'm not otherwise independently wealthy. So, by corollary, I cannot tolerate the idea of being taxed financially, to treat something medically, when it should not actually require medication.

Anyway, you have to account for the proper modular math, when declaring that night owls "simply do not sleep in" nor can you claim that your supposed version of a night owl never experienced fatigue, after 10 hours of undescribed daily activity, due to the psychological cost of an ego facade, or whatever.

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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Coincidentally I visited Hemingway's house in Key West just today. The guide told us that he had made a habit of waking up at 6 AM, move to study room and wait for 700 words to be written or lunch - whichever comes first. He would then go out for fishing rest of the afternoon and then in the night go to nearby Sloppy Joe's bar to mingle with public which often gave him inspiring story ideas.

Personally, however, the best work I have done is after 5 PM when most people have left the office. I go out for quick snack, come back to office and go in to midnight. The chatter around in office, emails etc are too distracting for full focus.

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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Few thoughts: For me personally, I experience a lot of ego depletion during the day. But having kids tends to do that. There's no way I can write at the end of the day, I'm just way to mentally tired. Also as someone who both codes and writes, writing is far more emotionally taxing. Coding is problem solving - there is usually a clear path to follow and I generally know when I've solved a problem. Writing for me is u…

This brilliantly captures my own experiences with "writing & coding".

> There's no way I can write at the end of the day, I'm just way to mentally tired. Also as someone who both codes and writes, writing is far more emotionally taxing.

> Coding is problem solving - there is usually a clear path to follow and I generally know when I've solved a problem. Writing for me is unclear and amorphous. There is almost never a road map, and I never really know when I've "finished.

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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post #3

My first question was about how writing prose differs from writing code. The post covers this: > despite being apparently similar activities (both mostly involve slinging text), the temporal timing of software development & writing are strikingly different. Thinking back, I don’t recall early-morning programming being a trend among programmers (programmers are infamous for preferring to come in late and late-night pr…

For me, writing prose (mostly short stories, journals, memoirs) is more emotionally taxing. To write well I need to find ways to silence the self-censorship that will inevitably prevent me from expressing the things I really want to say. This often happens when I am in a state approaching mania. Donald Glover says he writes in the morning because it is "closer to dreaming". Coding is primarily a task about cognition,…

Two tools I've found useful for getting text on page:

* https://getcoldturkey.com/writer/ -- just a very simple full-screen text composer

* https://otter.ai/ -- an app for doing transcription of human speech. I find it very useful to go to a quiet area and talk into it and then use that as my very rough draft of my thoughts. You'd never use it for stenography, but the quality is good enough to make it clear what you meant to say.

and if your voice of self-criticism says "that seems like a crutch", reflect on the fact that you are a tool-using human who will probably wear shoes tomorrow and many days thereafter.

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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post #62

Coincidentally I visited Hemingway's house in Key West just today. The guide told us that he had made a habit of waking up at 6 AM, move to study room and wait for 700 words to be written or lunch - whichever comes first. He would then go out for fishing rest of the afternoon and then in the night go to nearby Sloppy Joe's bar to mingle with public which often gave him inspiring story ideas. Personally, however, the…

> and then in the night go to nearby Sloppy Joe's bar to mingle with public which often gave him inspiring story ideas.

Well let's be honest -- the main reason he went to the bar was to get drunk. He was a notorious alcoholic.

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sleep, aside from any resetting, is also responsible for memory formation When my son was little, he had to memorize the 13 colonies of the United States for History class. He was getting frustrated that he just couldn't remember them all. I told him to just read through the list again right before he went to bed. He did so and came home from school that day to tell me, "It worked!".

Better ways to memorize such things: create a story between each colonies so that you can remember it as a linked list.

Absolutely. And as a bonus, by using historically accurate stories to link colonies, you'd remember those extra pieces of information "for free."

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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I too find that after a 10-hour day, I can not do anything productive. My best time is morning till early afternoon. I think ego depletion definitely has some anecdotal evidence. Most of us can only do quality focused work when our mind is clear after sleep. If you look at the data gwern provided, some of the supposedly owls actually sleep till noon, and do work immediately after waking up. That is not an "owl" in my…

I disagree. On a fundamental level, there's no way to draw a line demarcating owls, and otherwise non-owls. It's a false dichotomy, founded on behavior alone, which is subject to peer influence, and other sources of behavior modification. All people lead lives distorted by circumstance, particularly when it comes to circadian rhythm. The behavioral effects of daylight savings time prove this. Casual caffeine consumpt…

Not really a reply to your point. Thanks for your post, I think i finally understand my sleep "problem" now. I think I have the same "disorder"

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better ways to memorize such things: create a story between each colonies so that you can remember it as a linked list.

Absolutely. And as a bonus, by using historically accurate stories to link colonies, you'd remember those extra pieces of information "for free."

I dare you to write us such a story. Remember, it has to be short.

Re: What Is The Morning Writing Effect?

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post #48

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I struggle with same issues everyday. Job, marriage, Kids, and life in general does not allow me to have a fixed schedule. The thing is in today's world of small apartments, noisy kids, and demanding jobs does not allow having the luxury of following a fixed schedules. I see blocks of time during the day getting wasted and I am not able to muster enough courage to claim those. On the other-hand is Cory Doctorow who i…

> Job, marriage, Kids, and life in general does not allow me to have a fixed schedule. The way I fixed this was to get up early. If I get up between 5-6am, I easily have 2-4 hours of time before anything attempts to derail me. During these hours, I go to the gym and then get my most focused productivity of the day done. The rest of the day is flexible depending on what's going. Before someone chimes in that I'm going…

If only my kids would sleep to 7 am every day... Our youngest (2y) is awake between 5-6am every day. Both go to bed between 7-8pm. Not much time before and after unfortunately.
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