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Academia is a cult?

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>It should come as no surprise that the professor who made that demand is a white male alumnus of the Ivy League, and the student an immigrant from a working-class background. I'm getting really tired of these kinds of racial and ethnic generalizations. If you substitute "asian" or "jew" in and you find it's racist, it's still racist if it says "white."

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There is a historical reason for this. Religion is practiced by Doctors of Divinity and science by Doctors of Philosophy. At the time of Newton education or universities were controlled by religious doctors. After Newton Doctors of Philosophy took control of the education. Doctor means someone who is licensed to teach the doctrine. So at the fundamental level religion and academia are organized exactly the same. Only doctrine is different. In this system cult simply means an outside hierarchy organized by an unlicensed teacher. But both are cults.

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post #24

>It should come as no surprise that the professor who made that demand is a white male alumnus of the Ivy League, and the student an immigrant from a working-class background. I'm getting really tired of these kinds of racial and ethnic generalizations. If you substitute "asian" or "jew" in and you find it's racist, it's still racist if it says "white."

I don’t find it to be racist (unless your definition is ‘someone who talks about race’).

But it is exceptionally lazy. Rather than making the case they wish to directly, they’re offloading that work onto their audience, many of whom will obviously defer to popular generalizations. The majority of the time I see “privileged white male” shorthand, what the author is talking about is character and behavior, both of which can be warped by one’s environment or social status. But hiding that entire analysis in three words does wrong by the reader and makes it easy to view poor behavior as some kind of essential trait rather than a failure of socialization.

If we’re looking to shift patterns of misbehavior or help people understand them better, that’s a bad way to start.

Re: Academia is a cult?

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author appears to be talking about comparative literature exclusively. It’s truly a misleading title. Comparative literature (or “critical theory” or “dept of rhetoric” or whatever fanciful name they’re using) is indeed the cultiest field of academia. It’s why they’re so easy to punk. (See: Sokal affairs.)

The sciences haven't done any better at quality control than the humanities. See: Bogdanov affair, "Who's Afraid of Peer Review?", etc.

Not really comparable at all. The "Social Text" affair was a major deal because "Social Text" was a major venue of postmodernism at the time, and it was a major cause of the fall of postmodernism in academia.

Nobody was "fooled" by the Bogdanovs -- they were French TV personalities who managed to get a couple of bogus papers published in extremely low impact journals that hardly anyone read. Similarly with "Who's Afraid of Peer Review" -- there are thousands of minor journals out there and some aren't very picky about what they publish. In science, it is important to take note of where something is published as opposed to the mere fact that it is.

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post #83

I don't know the source but I first read the following useful distinction here in HN: The difference between a cult and a religion: a cult wants it all, a religion just wants its cut.

That's an amusing saying, because it conjures images of a struggle, in which there's somewhere something that is greedy and something that seeks fairness. What is the struggle about, i.e. what is that "all" that the greedy actor wants? I think it doesn't matter, because this saying is just a threatrical way of saying that we define a cult as an organization in the religious world that we find to be uncooperative, aso…

What I get from that statement is that religion is a more sustainable cult i.e. a cult that recognizes that demanding total control is a poor strategy in the longer term.

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Yes, humanities academia is severely flawed, not only in the ways that the author describes but also in the prevalence of pseudo-intellectual quackery in literature studies, cultural studies and areas of social sciences, philosophy, etc. The newspaper appears to have forgotten to qualify the title to make clear that they were not talking about all academia.

A lot of biomedical science is also barely worth of the name science as it's not reproducible. And I'm sure you could find the same in physics and math too. But it's way easier to look at the humanities, not being able to understand the language used due to not having the required background and go "clearly it's worthless because I, someone with a degree in a completely different field, cannot understand it". And the…

A couple of points: specialized language in science is needed because science deals with things like genes, particles, and mathematical constructs that we have no words for in normal language. This often means that papers in, say, biology, are not only not understandable to chemists, but even to other fields of biology studying different things. This really isn't in the case in the humanities, which deal with the human experience we experience in daily life. There often the point is to sound as complicated as possible to hide the fact that nothing much is being said.

The "Sokal Text" affair tends to overwhelm Sokal's bigger accomplishment, the book "Fashionable Nonsense" (with Jean Bricmont). There he shows how famous scholars like Lacan and Deleuze threw random scientific terms into their works in contexts where nothing scientific is being said as a way to sound "deep".

The reproducibility problem in science is real, but oftentimes people confuse reproducibility (i.e. I give concentration X of compound Y to mice of strain Z, and 50% develop cancer within a month and you do the same and get a similar result) with failure of generalization (You change the concentration or mouse strain and get a different result and write a paper saying I'm wrong).

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post #15

In my experience there are multiple cutls within academia and they operate at different levels. In finance, for example, there is a cult of "efficient market hypothesis" and another cult of "behavioral finance". The two groups don't appreciate each other much although publicly they love to say how much they respect their colleagues from the other group.

By that measure, all of human society is a cult.

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The same thing affecting academia ( mostly humanities ) is the same thing affecting journalism. Instead of being institutions for seeking truth and knowledge, they've become institutions of political advocacy and agenda.

Obligatory plug for https://heterodoxacademy.org/

However, lately I've come to wonder if the solution isn't simply to defund all non-STEM academic subjects. It seems likely that subjects that aren't strongly tied down to some sort of objective utility function will always drift towards some sort of strange and extreme agendas.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

bro, correlation causes causation

That is the taboo undercurrent of most discussion sections of science papers

That's not really true about natural sciences, there isn't a lot of confusion about causation in chemistry for example.

Re: Academia is a cult?

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post #102

There is a historical reason for this. Religion is practiced by Doctors of Divinity and science by Doctors of Philosophy. At the time of Newton education or universities were controlled by religious doctors. After Newton Doctors of Philosophy took control of the education. Doctor means someone who is licensed to teach the doctrine. So at the fundamental level religion and academia are organized exactly the same. Only…

That explanation sounds good but I couldn't find much on the doctor=doctrine link. This says the word comes from medieval Latin "docere" which simply means to teach. Doctrine shares the same root word as doctor, but that root word is simply the notion of teaching and doesn't have inherently religious overtones.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/Doctor

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