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LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by gav »

I live about three miles west of Western between Hollywood and Sunset, a couple of blocks from where Hugh Grant was arrested in 1995. We still have these signs up here, I can’t turn onto my street after 11pm.

What I find interesting is that these signs are still up even though the problem they were trying to solve went away many years ago. It seems that there’s nobody that looks to undo changes like this—government rarely gives back the freedom it takes away—even if that’s simply the freedom to make a turn at night.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by DoreenMichele »

zunzun wrote: post #3
mindcrime wrote: post #2

There is no "prostitution problem", other than meddling moralizers who want to tell people what they can do with their own bodies. Legalize prostitution, get the government out of the business of trying to control people's bodies, and the "problem" goes away.

On the addiction relief program "Intervention" they showed a woman who said that she had to inject heroin immediately before this type of work to make it tolerable, and she also said that she found most disgusting to her was that she had to pretend to enjoy what the clients did to her.

If you are really concerned about the horrors of prostitution, I recommend you work on the Glass Ceiling issue in non sex worker industries so women have more real options for well paid work.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by djrobstep »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #13
zunzun wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the addiction relief program "Intervention" they showed a woman who said that she had to inject heroin immediately before this type of work to make it tolerable, and she also said that she found most disgusting to her was that she had to pretend to enjoy what the clients did to her.

If you are really concerned about the horrors of prostitution, I recommend you work on the Glass Ceiling issue in non sex worker industries so women have more real options for well paid work.

It's not clear to me how having more women CEOs will help solve the horrors of prostutution, perhaps you could explain further.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by rifung »

swampthinker wrote: post #9
mindcrime wrote: post #2

There is no "prostitution problem", other than meddling moralizers who want to tell people what they can do with their own bodies. Legalize prostitution, get the government out of the business of trying to control people's bodies, and the "problem" goes away.

On mobile so I'll having trouble finding a source, but studies have unfortunately found that countries with legalized prostitution generally have higher trafficking rates.

Here you go: https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-...

"Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows."

I find this interesting.. I wonder why people would still go to an illegal worker over a legal one. Is it that the consumers don't know they're illegal or they have some other advantage like cheaper price or a different experience?

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by closeparen »

sathackr wrote: post #7

So the signs are there so that the police have probable cause to stop someone that they otherwise wouldn't have probable cause to stop. Does anyone else see a problem with making otherwise perfectly legal and safe behavior(turning on to a side street) illegal just to legalize an otherwise unconstitutional traffic stop? Seems like another slippery slope we ought not to be sliding down.

The government is required to respect privacy, not to be stupid. An area's status as a crime hotspot can reasonably cast suspicion on those visiting it late at night.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by DoreenMichele »

djrobstep wrote: post #14
DoreenMichele wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are really concerned about the horrors of prostitution, I recommend you work on the Glass Ceiling issue in non sex worker industries so women have more real options for well paid work.

It's not clear to me how having more women CEOs will help solve the horrors of prostutution, perhaps you could explain further.

Women frequently turn to prostitution, stripping et al because it's the only well paid work they can readily get.

If career success in other fields were easier to access for women, it would be easier to make other choices.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by tardo99 »

gav wrote: post #11

I live about three miles west of Western between Hollywood and Sunset, a couple of blocks from where Hugh Grant was arrested in 1995. We still have these signs up here, I can’t turn onto my street after 11pm. What I find interesting is that these signs are still up even though the problem they were trying to solve went away many years ago. It seems that there’s nobody that looks to undo changes like this—government r…

So ... what do you do if you get home after 11pm?

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by tbyehl »

byoung2 wrote: post #5
mindcrime wrote: post #2

There is no "prostitution problem", other than meddling moralizers who want to tell people what they can do with their own bodies. Legalize prostitution, get the government out of the business of trying to control people's bodies, and the "problem" goes away.

Exactly...if it's legal, you won't see dark alley trolling or illegal turns. You would see professional websites, apps, and clean, regulated places of business.

Prostitutes have been on the Internet forever. Legal or not, streetwalkers will continue to exist. The problems, real or perceived, that streetwalkers cause in the neighborhoods they work will continue to exist.
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