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Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

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Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#41
post #7

First, realize that you're probably making at least double the median US income. If you have a house with no loan and that income, you're doing way, way, way better than average. I see two possible paths forward. The less likely is to read and internalize http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-sim... and realize how quickly you can reach financial independence at a reduced spending level (but one th…

in my experience, knowing that you're doing better than average doesn't help this mindset. OP craves money, and an excess of success. Unless you fought for a long time to get out of the "average" bracket (which many software engineers haven't had to do), it's easy to just want more and more.

Also I have mixed feelings towards recommending the Mustachian community to OP. FI might help quench a thirst for money, but it also might just augment or exacerbate the obsession with accumulating money.

Personally, I see this problem as more of a philosophical one. I can't offer answers, but as someone who also has to consciously fight off obsession with money, practicing mindfulness, living in the moment, and finding joy in relationships and other "free", meaningful things helps. idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#42
You are already defining yourself in terms of how much money you make, or spend. Want to be someone else?

Try to define your life as what you are instead of what you have. Most happens inside, where you don't need so much money.

And expending less and winning a lot will help to fulfill your essential needs while having a meaningful life.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#43
I won't ever tell you to not chase money - one of the world's most prominent lies is that "money doesn't buy you happiness"

I come from a heavily Buddhist culture that preaches disconnect from materialism, and I can truly say that it hardly holds. Please LOVE money, because no matter what anyone says, wealth gives you:

1. Independence

2. Confidence

3. Ability to solve problems by throwing money at it. This one's super important as we're heading towards a world where medicine is advancing enough to cure most ailments, even cancer and aids are likely to be cured in the next 30 years with the advent of Gene therapy and genetically customized medicine

4. If you actually have #1,2,3, your chances of finding love are higher, as you can devote some concerted amount of time towards finding love that many poorer folks don't have. Plus confidence & independence are attractive characteristics.

The only thing you should learn to modulate is expectations on how quickly you can accrue wealth. For the 7 billion that are alive today, there are probably a thousand billionaires, tens of thousands with hundreds of millions, a few million with So, statically, you're more likely to be in that $10M net worth bracket. It's low, but happiness can also be found in planning and executing a life towards that goal, while being aware of the low probability of getting there.

So don't give up your "greed" for money, but do give up your unreasonable expectations of getting rich quick. Be pragmatic about how rich you can get (best case, median case, worst case) and plan towards getting there

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#44
post #37

Time is incredibly short. Money is only interesting as far as it lets you spend time on things that matter to you. Therefore time spent unhappily obsessing over money is a double tragedy. We live in an era where almost everyone in the West has access to physical and social luxuries that go far beyond the lifestyle enjoyed by kings of the past. Louis XV of France spent his evenings in drafty old Versailles playing cra…

I'm sorry, unrelated, but where do I get $5 clothing delivered to my doorstep (USA). I am not aware of this and I hate clothes shopping, sounds like something I could use.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#45
I might get downvoted for this but... how about just working towards making more money? Many times feeling the urge to get something is a crucial factor in actually achieving that goal, so you seem well positioned to do that.

I’m in a somewhat similar situation, though mine is “greed” towards a very specific goal (financial independence, as in being able to completely stop working for the rest of my life with a very low chance of running out of money, which requires amassing $4-5M in my circumstances). Having that goal in mind, it makes me significantly happy when I get a raise and are able to sock away $150k instead of $120k into my investments accounts this year while keeping my living expenses fixed.

Even if I already make more than enough to comfortably sustain my living expenses now (I’m also in a typical $300-400k range for software engineers in Bay Area), I can easily say making more makes me much happier, because my goal date is approaching faster and I can quantify it in my detailed spreadsheet where I track contributions/returns/inflation for the future. I can get the gratification of seeing the date shortening by X years at every raise. That’s how I easily dismiss all claims that “money doesn’t make you happier”. Once I reach my number, which is already a conservative estimate, I won’t give a damn about making one more penny.

So, your greed might not necessarily be a bad thing if you can phrase it as a proper goal.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#47
post #16

The only reliable solution for temptation is to give in to it. Why not just devote yourself obsessively to getting money? Either you’ll get it and see what that’s like, or you’ll learn you don’t actually have sufficient drive to do it, or the right skills. I mean everyone’s got to do something all day. Just make sure to have a set of ethics and values and continue to abide by them during this pursuit.

I like this answer

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#48
Your compass is pointing in the wrong direction and leading you down the wrong trail, time to get a better map. How about spending some of that money you make to make you less dependent on future money. Buy some land, build a house on it, make that house as self-sufficient as you care to go - one step at the time, starting with energy as that's easy to achieve. Don't just buy stuff and have others build or install it for you, get some hands-on experience. Every step you take will take you away from the need for more future money and towards a goal which you've worked for. Every step will show you other things to strive for than just more money. Ignore all those million-dollar stories, more money than you need to keep the bills paid - i.e. lower middle class income - does not make you a happier person, read up on the subject if you feel the need.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#49
post #44
post #37

Time is incredibly short. Money is only interesting as far as it lets you spend time on things that matter to you. Therefore time spent unhappily obsessing over money is a double tragedy. We live in an era where almost everyone in the West has access to physical and social luxuries that go far beyond the lifestyle enjoyed by kings of the past. Louis XV of France spent his evenings in drafty old Versailles playing cra…

I'm sorry, unrelated, but where do I get $5 clothing delivered to my doorstep (USA). I am not aware of this and I hate clothes shopping, sounds like something I could use.

That might well be a $5 pair of socks or underwear from Amazon or eBay...

Re: Ask HN: How to stop my greed for money?

#50
Don't give up, give in to your greed. You can make millions like the rest if you are willing to trade part of your life away for it and put in the work. Let your greed consume you and drive you. Figure out how to do it without harming others. Your happiness is simply because you haven't found any path towards the journey. The moment you begin your journey your unhappiness will wane.
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