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Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

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Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#41

Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.

I admire your enthusiasm, but most users don’t want to think about or manage these things. Convenience and consistency of experience is the reason for giant corporations to own these services, and unless there is a compelling shift in consumer preferences, that seems unlikely to change.

A million upvotes. $50/year for FastMail to host my email is worth more to me than spending even one hour a year debugging mail server issues on my own hosted instance. Not even once!

Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#42

Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.

I admire your enthusiasm, but most users don’t want to think about or manage these things. Convenience and consistency of experience is the reason for giant corporations to own these services, and unless there is a compelling shift in consumer preferences, that seems unlikely to change.

It doesn't need to be that difficult. For example, you do not need a CS degree to own a TV, or a smart-fridge, it just works.

Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#43
post #9

Looks like this is similar to other self hosting projects like FreedomBone and NextCloud. It's great to see more tools to take back control over our data.

Similarly Cloudron.io and Sandstorm.io are very impressive and easy to use projects.

Has anyone used Kubeapps? It looks open source, wonder how it compares with Sandstorm and Cloudron?

Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#45
Hosted our family email server and Wordpress blog running OpenBSD on an Old World Mac using DynamiC DNS from home back in 2003. Specifically, I ranOpenBSD 3.4 on my G3 Blue & White with a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 PCI Card. That was about 15 years ago. I was self-hosting. :-)

Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#46

Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.

Future? Self hosting was common place in the 90’s.

And it's far less common nowadays per capita.

Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#48
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the problem with leaking your IP address? If you host a website or any kind of API there, your IP is public anyway?

Not if it's behind a CDN, if you were to host a website that someone might consider a DDoS target (frankly anything can be these days), then it can be wise to keep the host's true IP off the record

If your security is only achieved by hiding your IP I have bad news for you.

Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD

#49
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it's behind a CDN, if you were to host a website that someone might consider a DDoS target (frankly anything can be these days), then it can be wise to keep the host's true IP off the record

If your security is only achieved by hiding your IP I have bad news for you.

Obfuscating your IP is a foundational part of strong security for websites in certain industries. For example: the video game industry has a lot of wannabe hackers and script kiddies, DDoSes are cheaper and larger than ever, which makes running services in that industry extremely expensive without proper IP security. I know the purists think the internet should be open and transparent, but some of us also build services in reality.
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