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Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

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Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#62

Maybe I'm just too paranoid, but first thing that popped into my head is there are a lot of predators out there looking for weak prey. Maybe I need a support group to help with that :)

There are. Predators use domestic violence, sexual abuse and other abuse-related online support groups to groom vulnerable people. Strict moderation is absolutely necessary in these communities.

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#63
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If any Facebook employees are reading this, there's a really annoying "feature" that will show a list of suggested friends to add to a private group. I've accidentally added people to private groups by accidentally clicking a single time while scrolling. Imagine being in an AA group or HIV support group and adding your coworker to it on accident. Please change this.

It's really easy to complain about this, but it's very hard to actually come up with a solution. Did you have any suggestions how cases like this could be detected?

A confirmation screen after you click "suggest friend?"

Delay the action for five minutes and add an "undo" button for the five minutes.

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#64
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So I'm curious: have you tried removing details from your Facebook ad preferences? On the desktop website go to: Settings | Ads | Your Interests. There is a huge ontology of various subjects that have been algorithmically assigned to you. If you remove these, I believe ads targeted to those interests should go away. I periodically just sweep them all clean so I have no interests. I get very few ads and those that I g…

It’s pretty good that they allow you to do that now, but it can’t retroactively remove those interests from the personal data they’ve already sold about you. So it fixes the smaller issue of what ads Facebook serves, but doesn’t address the larger issue of privacy.

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Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#65
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really easy to complain about this, but it's very hard to actually come up with a solution. Did you have any suggestions how cases like this could be detected?

> it's very hard to actually come up with a solution Just not have "suggested friends"? I've never gotten anything out of that feature, and I imagine it provides little actual value to anyone since if someone was actually a friend or even an acquaintance, they'd have that person in mind when adding friends on Facebook.

I’ve used that feature a few times. It’s very helpful when trying to grow a new group

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#66
post #39

If any Facebook employees are reading this, there's a really annoying "feature" that will show a list of suggested friends to add to a private group. I've accidentally added people to private groups by accidentally clicking a single time while scrolling. Imagine being in an AA group or HIV support group and adding your coworker to it on accident. Please change this.

It's really easy to complain about this, but it's very hard to actually come up with a solution. Did you have any suggestions how cases like this could be detected?

Not the poster's job. Facebook is a business. If they want a solution from the poster, pay for it.

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#67
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really easy to complain about this, but it's very hard to actually come up with a solution. Did you have any suggestions how cases like this could be detected?

> it's very hard to actually come up with a solution Just not have "suggested friends"? I've never gotten anything out of that feature, and I imagine it provides little actual value to anyone since if someone was actually a friend or even an acquaintance, they'd have that person in mind when adding friends on Facebook.

Or even have an ability for an admin of a group to turn off "suggested friends" for that group alone. Ah, but that's not just a new boolean field in the model, a database migration, GraphQL dependency, and an if statement in the template... but also a committee meeting to clear the text used in the admin's interface, translations to all languages used by Facebook (you wouldn't want Facebook to be seen as causing problems for only non-English-speaking HIV support groups, right?), additional overhead to track, potentially stepping on the toes of the design team that maintains the mockups for that admin interface. It would need to be someone's passion project, and even that might not be enough. And perhaps the people at Facebook who know the problem firsthand from being in AA or HIV support groups don't want to draw attention to why they're justifying this feature, for obvious reasons.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#68

“For example, according to Lewis, the algorithm might keep showing a post whose question has been answered. And it might deprioritize posts from new members that don’t get much engagement—ensuring they get even less engagement in a form of algorithmic ghosting.” Essentially the flaw with facebook’s entire system of selecting posts. When I recently posted on Facebook to my 2000 friends, the only people to react were m…

How would you adjust the algorithm? Maybe surface new posts with some degree of stochasticity, like what HN does? Sorting by Hot on Reddit feels pretty similar to FB, and sorting strictly chronologically doesn't scale (just sort by New on HN or Reddit - most posts just aren't very interesting to most people).

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#69

Anecdote, but it sure seems to me that the need for emotional support groups has skyrocketed within my lifetime. I’m sure all the members of these groups are legitimate (I’m not making a “snowflake” argument) but what in the hell is going on?

The Internet. The need hasn't increased just there is longer have any friction for setting them up or joining/participating. Also no geography restrictions to participate.

In meatspace if you want to set up a support group you'd have to rent a space, then participants would have to physically drive there, and your hours would have to coincide with theirs. It's not really fesible for many support groups to form in this environment, especially outside major metros.

With the rise of the Internet, you don't have those restrictions, thus people can reach each other, so they do more reaching out to each other.

Possibly internet support has taken the place of friends and family support though.

Re: Facebook Is Full of Emotional-Support Groups

#70

Maybe I'm just too paranoid, but first thing that popped into my head is there are a lot of predators out there looking for weak prey. Maybe I need a support group to help with that :)

This is actually a problem in AA, it's called "13th Stepping."
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