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China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Secret Fisa courts aren't exactly transparent.

What kind of transparency would you like to see from them? For some things, like active secret investigations how would you expect them to act transparently and publicly?

They could disclose their warrants after cases have closed and there are no loose ends.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Anyone have a summary or better source? Paywall is strong with this one.

China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them

Huawei phones are still great in terms of affordability with high end spec. Tell the nonrich people more about the eavesdropping and most don’t give it shit

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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I got a one plus, and now i'm wondering... But let's be honest, iphones and android parts are manufactured in china. There are most probably a lot of spying hardware we don't know about that call the mother land.

Do you think Apple blindly trusts the hardware that comes from their factories? I have no evidence either way, but I would be very surprised if their hardware experts in the US didn't tear down and verify the parts that get shipped to them, like they did with the SuperMicro motherboards. The idea that there is a lot of spying hardware in an iPhone that Apple doesn't know about is an extraordinary claim.

Hardware experts disassembled every single phone and put them back. Good luck with that(oh! It brings manufacturing back to US. MAGA!)

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Yes. Buy Apple or Google's phones instead. They would never leak customer data for the US government. Oh wait...

It's popular to hate the US government and US tech companies, but the US government and US tech companies are far more ethical than the Chinese. It's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

It’s much more popular to hate China nowadays. Blame China to rob everything from us

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

#35

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China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them

Huawei phones are still great in terms of affordability with high end spec. Tell the nonrich people more about the eavesdropping and most don’t give it shit

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Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

#36

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Do you have proof that any of the news about China (from tons of different sources, including other countries that are not America) is propaganda or not accurate? You're implying a global conspiracy is afoot to besmirch the good Chinese name when everyone has known for a while that they're generally bad actors behind the scenes when it comes to spying and stealing of secrets/IP/tech.

Global conspiracy is not improbable. Think about Cold War, the drastic culture difference and the fear from the fact westerners know little about China

Huh? The Cold War was not a conspiracy in the way you're implying at all. It was very publicly out there as you had kids under desks to avoid nuclear war and both countries saying how awful the other is. Westerners know plenty about China... you seem to be referring to a time hundreds of years ago where China was this far-away place and no one knew about it or understood it because we primarily traveled by trains and boats that took weeks to get anywhere and didn't have an internet connection with them. Times are a little different and have been for a long while.

Today people from the West travel to and live in China constantly. Tons of Chinese kids come to America and go to universities (some where they're like 20% of the school's incoming class). How do you think all of the west's stuff is made in China? From communicating with Chinese people and traveling to China. It didn't just magically happen. It's also pretty well known to the West and other parts of the world that China has been stealing state and corporate secrets for a very long time.

I really don't get this argument. The West (and world) knows China inside and out.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Yes. Buy Apple or Google's phones instead. They would never leak customer data for the US government. Oh wait...

It's popular to hate the US government and US tech companies, but the US government and US tech companies are far more ethical than the Chinese. It's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

Are they though?

Did the Chinese government spend the last century toppling democratically elected governments and subjecting the populations to the horrors that followed purely for economic gain?

I guess not.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Yes. Buy Apple or Google's phones instead. They would never leak customer data for the US government. Oh wait...

It's popular to hate the US government and US tech companies, but the US government and US tech companies are far more ethical than the Chinese. It's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

Depends who is defining what is ethical of course. The fact that ethics is cultural will mean that each side will probably think they are the most ethical.

To disprove that claim: try to come up with an ethical framework which makes no mention of a higher power as justification, and tell us why it is better than all others. Most land on some variant of utilitarianism and then disagree what the objective function should be.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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What kind of transparency would you like to see from them? For some things, like active secret investigations how would you expect them to act transparently and publicly?

They could disclose their warrants after cases have closed and there are no loose ends.

That'll never happen. Even if the case is closed and there are no loose ends for that particular case, it would still reveal the collection methods used, potentially impacting other foreign intel and FISA related cases.
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