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Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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I like this part:

Apple is milking its essentially captive audience. I hesitate to call it “loyal” — these are, essentially, people who look with trepidation at the idea of moving years of photos and other data to a different system.

My wife gnashed her teeth when she got one of the new, wildly overpriced iPhones — but she just can’t imagine switching to Android.

Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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I like this part: Apple is milking its essentially captive audience. I hesitate to call it “loyal” — these are, essentially, people who look with trepidation at the idea of moving years of photos and other data to a different system. My wife gnashed her teeth when she got one of the new, wildly overpriced iPhones — but she just can’t imagine switching to Android.

The main Android dealbreaker for me is all the viruses, followed by OS fragmentation and finally the fact there is no privacy protection ( i.e. secure enclave )

Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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I wish I could say Android was different. Yea, Google and Samsung et. al. do make a lot of other products, so their entire business model isn't the same as Apple. But in the phone market, customers don't have all that much choice regardless of who they pick. I'm an Apple hater myself, but I fear the day Apple finally goes away.

Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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I like this part: Apple is milking its essentially captive audience. I hesitate to call it “loyal” — these are, essentially, people who look with trepidation at the idea of moving years of photos and other data to a different system. My wife gnashed her teeth when she got one of the new, wildly overpriced iPhones — but she just can’t imagine switching to Android.

The main Android dealbreaker for me is all the viruses, followed by OS fragmentation and finally the fact there is no privacy protection ( i.e. secure enclave )

Viruses: doesn't really apply if you just download non shady things from the play store

OS fragmentation: doesn't apply if you're not a developer, just pick a phone that will have a reasonable amount of updates over its lifetime

Privacy protection: really depends how you feel about Google on this one

Presence of a secure element: this one really depends on your threat profile

Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main Android dealbreaker for me is all the viruses, followed by OS fragmentation and finally the fact there is no privacy protection ( i.e. secure enclave )

Viruses: doesn't really apply if you just download non shady things from the play store OS fragmentation: doesn't apply if you're not a developer, just pick a phone that will have a reasonable amount of updates over its lifetime Privacy protection: really depends how you feel about Google on this one Presence of a secure element: this one really depends on your threat profile

> Viruses: doesn't really apply if you just download non shady things from the play store

Easier said than done, especially when looking for more obscure apps. Also, it's not easy for non-technical folks to tell the difference...

> OS fragmentation: doesn't apply if you're not a developer, just pick a phone that will have a reasonable amount of updates over its lifetime

How long is "reasonable" relative to iOS? I recently moved from Android to iOS mainly because of this.

> Privacy protection: really depends how you feel about Google on this one

I'm not sure feelings are relevant here. The truth is simply the truth.

> Presence of a secure element: this one really depends on your threat profile

Agreed, but it's good to have the extra security guarantees.

Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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I like this part: Apple is milking its essentially captive audience. I hesitate to call it “loyal” — these are, essentially, people who look with trepidation at the idea of moving years of photos and other data to a different system. My wife gnashed her teeth when she got one of the new, wildly overpriced iPhones — but she just can’t imagine switching to Android.

I hear you. I decided this last summer to move out of "Apple Land" to Android. Didn't know much about it but I just didn't want the walled garden anymore. I have moved everything over. Got the Pixel because I wanted "stock" and "updates" and the camera. Haven't had any issues. Next step is moving my wife over as well. It's been a pretty good experience.

Re: Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main Android dealbreaker for me is all the viruses, followed by OS fragmentation and finally the fact there is no privacy protection ( i.e. secure enclave )

Viruses: doesn't really apply if you just download non shady things from the play store OS fragmentation: doesn't apply if you're not a developer, just pick a phone that will have a reasonable amount of updates over its lifetime Privacy protection: really depends how you feel about Google on this one Presence of a secure element: this one really depends on your threat profile

Some users buy a new phone every year; for those users I would agree that OS fragmentation is a trivial issue. But if you keep your phone longer, it becomes more important. Many OEMs don't keep their promises to push OTA upgrades in a timely way. Many more OEMs don't make any promises at all. A lack of updates can leave users vulnerable to widely-known attack vectors.
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