The most successful decentralized communication system - email as it turned out, people would concentrated to large free provider like Google. Decentralized server does not protect privacy for normal user because not most people could handle owning their server. The most success decentralized service is BitTorrent. It is decentralized and it is decentralized in client level. Though it also caused uncontrollable pirac…
EDIT: As pointed out below, I probably misread the intent of the comment I was replying to as its exact opposite (because I thought the user was the same as GP). If so my apologies. So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis? Ever heard of the paradox of tolerance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
> you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis No, I said the contrary. I am rather content with the state of free speech in France (and by extension, Germany, which is almost the same on this respect) because it fits very well my own view of how a tolerant society, respectful of its citizens, should behave.
So we were in agreement then, and I indeed misread your intent. Apologies.
> What does it have to do with living in Germany? Americans are often "horrified" at free speech in Germany because glorifying Nazis and terrorists is forbidden there (as in France and a handful other European countries). My take is that this platform at least probably allows posting pictures with nipples, unlike most US-based services.
Wow this thread escalated quickly. Well US is in many ways slowly starting to look like Nazy germany in its beginings. I hope this turns around because i really dont want nuke war. But it seems germany atleast tries to do something and learn from the past. While US in its hard defense of indivilualism (its just illusion btw) is really loosing it. I mean some people in us gov now are literaly evil and want to harm oth…
The most successful decentralized communication system - email as it turned out, people would concentrated to large free provider like Google. Decentralized server does not protect privacy for normal user because not most people could handle owning their server. The most success decentralized service is BitTorrent. It is decentralized and it is decentralized in client level. Though it also caused uncontrollable pirac…
Playing devils advocate here, but I also kind of believe this... There is no such thing as privacy in the social network. It is foolhardy to assume it is even possible. Even a real life social network relies on trust, trust that can be broken very easily and totally outside of your control. Maybe the answer is to accept that privacy isn't a real thing and stop sharing things, even in what you assume is a protected environment, that you don't wish to be public. I don't think there is a technical solution to "people can't keep secrets"
The most successful decentralized communication system - email as it turned out, people would concentrated to large free provider like Google. Decentralized server does not protect privacy for normal user because not most people could handle owning their server. The most success decentralized service is BitTorrent. It is decentralized and it is decentralized in client level. Though it also caused uncontrollable pirac…
I fully agree. The problem is that it's even harder to design something that is fully p2p than something federated. (One thing that tries to be exactly what you want would be https://secushare.org/ But its in a very very early stage, right now. There exist others, though.) And you have to agree that (even if most people choose the biggest provider) simply having the choice of different providers or even being your ow…
Its not really about the design. At some point you have to recognize the physical impossibilities of p2p models - primarily availability. The reason why Matrix is more popular than Tox or why we haven't seen any remotely successful p2p social network while projects like Mastodon took off is because there is simply no way to make the UX of the scenario where you want to send a message to X, who is offline, and before they come online you go offline and the message is never sent.
The way Tox does it (and any network trying to work around this problem) is to locally cache messages en masse as close to the destitination as you can get. But as you can imagine that makes the bandwidth and power requirements of maintaining the network too streinuous to be competitive with a federated option that simply works when the always-on server is available or doesn't when its offline.
How does Diaspora compare to Mastodon? My naive impression is that Mastodon is a decentralized Twitter clone and Diaspora tries to be a nonprofit Facebook. Is that correct?
Mastodon is when you can't handle any one having an alternative option than you, so you log on to a twitter clone where you are the only person using it and are always right.
Or you don't want to be harassed by someone taking your conversations out of context then doxxing you and trying to ruin your life.
I have some former G+ friends who went to MeWe, some to Mastodon, and some to Twitter. I found Diaspora a pretty poor experience last time I was there, so I'm not really following the group that ended up there
My wife wasn't happy with the idea that friends of friends could see photos of her on Facebook and Facebook was regularly tweaking privacy settings (read: undoing my changes) so I punted and deleted my profile. Frankly Google+'s circles seemed like the perfect solution by giving you explicit control over who sees what and further letting you tailor what you post to each circle. Although I'm sorry to see it go at the…
I've taken myself off all social media (for a couple of years now) and feel better for it but do miss a bit of the social interaction with some of the groups I was a member of.
I have been tempted to start an anonymous (in as far as a made up name) Facebook profile to take part in those groups again but have resisted against it because one thing leads to another and you end up on the platform fully.
So for my tech interests, also using slack but I'd be keen to find some non-tech slack channels. They're a bit tricky to find.
What does it have to do with living in Germany? I live in Berlin and we have the most vibrant community of privacy, security etc I've ever seen.
I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.