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Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by FabHK »

vanderZwan wrote: post #37
seszett wrote: post #20

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> What does it have to do with living in Germany? Americans are often "horrified" at free speech in Germany because glorifying Nazis and terrorists is forbidden there (as in France and a handful other European countries). My take is that this platform at least probably allows posting pictures with nipples, unlike most US-based services.

EDIT: As pointed out below, I probably misread the intent of the comment I was replying to as its exact opposite (because I thought the user was the same as GP). If so my apologies. So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis? Ever heard of the paradox of tolerance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

> So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis?

I don't think he said that, just the opposite. I don't think he was being sarcastic. Hard to say, though, with this internet text thingy.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

DandyDev wrote: post #38
throwaway8879 wrote: post #21

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Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?

No, most EU countries have laws in some form that prohibit Holocaust denial. But as with any country that has the rights to freedom of speech, these rights are inevitably balanced and restricted by other laws. This is a good thing, because while freedom of speech is important, the general wellbeing of the population and preventing people getting hurt is important as well. It is my belief for example that allowing rac…

> the general wellbeing of the population and preventing people getting hurt is important as well

I fail to see how speech does hurts anyone. Would you mind elaborating? Should it not be solely the responsibility of whoever hears said speech to decide on whether to act on it? Does censorship of any shape or form not actually hurt the ones that wanted to listen to said speech the most?

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by dnadler »

DandyDev wrote: post #38
throwaway8879 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?

No, most EU countries have laws in some form that prohibit Holocaust denial. But as with any country that has the rights to freedom of speech, these rights are inevitably balanced and restricted by other laws. This is a good thing, because while freedom of speech is important, the general wellbeing of the population and preventing people getting hurt is important as well. It is my belief for example that allowing rac…

On the other side of the argument, I think many would ask where do you draw the line? And who draws that line? It seems like the majority of the people I know feel like it's better not to draw that line at all and instead focus on teaching people why these arguments are wrong. The failing of our education system is another (bad) problem entirely.

Ex: what if the government one day decides that criticizing the government is too offensive?

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by [deleted] »

DandyDev wrote: post #18
znaji wrote: post #7

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I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.

“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?

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Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by M2Ys4U »

znaji wrote: post #19
RX14 wrote: post #14

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No country in the world gives you right of free speech on someone else's platform.

There is no free speech in Germany, so chances are that someone will say something on Diaspora that the government of Germany won't like. Then, if the owner of Diaspora refuses to delete the "illegal" post, he will be thrown in jail, so he doesn't really have a chance not to censor whatever the government forces him to censor.

>There is no free speech in Germany

You might want to read Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by cbnotfromthere »

chmod775 wrote: post #45
throwaway8879 wrote: post #23

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As a non-US and non-EU person, I can confidently say that the US has better free speech laws than anywhere else on this planet. I am open to being educated on this though.

The US only ranks 45th place on the Freedom of Press Index for instance, so it appears there are actually quite a few things not even the press is allowed to write about, much less your ordinary person. https://rsf.org/en/ranking

You seem to confuse freedom of speech with freedom of press.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by throwaway8879 »

DandyDev wrote: post #38
throwaway8879 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?

No, most EU countries have laws in some form that prohibit Holocaust denial. But as with any country that has the rights to freedom of speech, these rights are inevitably balanced and restricted by other laws. This is a good thing, because while freedom of speech is important, the general wellbeing of the population and preventing people getting hurt is important as well. It is my belief for example that allowing rac…

I'm aware of this. You may think it's a good thing, and I'm inclined to agree that for a peaceful and civilized society, this balance is definitely a necessity. However, there may be many amongst us who think it's not a good thing. I don't prefer one over another anyway, but just pointing out that absolute free speech isn't a thing anywhere. I suppose the US comes as close to it as possible. This is my regular HN account.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by JimGuns »

sakarisson wrote: post #16
Angostura wrote: post #9

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You probably wan to look at Voat, then. It's the go-to home for white supremacists and people who really dislike fat people, but it provides you with a free-speech zone, if that's your thing.

Try writing left-leaning comments and see how long Voat respects your right to free speech.

So it's basically the opposite of US services, where conservatives are hushed.
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