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Re: Building a fly brain in a computer

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> I don't think simulated brains can feel pain I'm not sure why you say that. Does pain have some property that makes it impossible to simulate? If an organic animal can feel pain and it is possible to create a 100% accurate computational simulation of that animal, then the simulated animal must also experience pain. To me the interesting questions are at what level of simulation fidelity This whole issue of simulate…

To quote a book I hold in very high regard: “Opponents replied that when you modeled a hurricane, nobody got wet. When you modeled a fusion power plant, no energy was produced. When you modeled digestion and metabolism, no nutrients were consumed – no real digestion took place. So, when you modeled the human brain, why should you expect real thought to occur?” ― Greg Egan, Permutation City

To quote another book I hold in very high regard (and I love Permutation City too):

"The King leaned over, looked an saw, yes, the Middle Ages simulated to a T, all digital, binary , and nonlinear, and there was the land of Dandelia, The Icicle Forest, the palace with the Helical Tower, the Aviary That Neighed, and the Treasury with a Hundred Eyes as well, and there was Ineffabelle herself, taking a slow, stochastic stroll through the simulated garden, and her circuits glowed red and gold as she picked simulated daisies, and hummed a simulated song."

The key is in the last two words.

Re: Building a fly brain in a computer

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Can it feel pain? I know pain is kind of tricky to evaluate in biological insects as well but that's a discussion we will have to have at some point.

"Sometimes, if you were going to have any hope of getting useful answers, there really was no alternative modelling the individuals themselves, at the sort of scale and level of complexity that mean they each had to exhibit some kind of discrete personality, and that was where the Problem kicked in. Once you’d created your population of realistically reacting and – in a necessary sense – cogitating individuals, you h…

> I love to watch Star Trek with its upbeat "always do good" general vibe when contrasted with completely oblivious cruelty they show towards simulated life.

Star Wars too. Although concerns about "owning sentient droids is slavery" are missing the point that Star Wars culture is fine with actually owning enslaved humans...

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