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On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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It's only like 5 minutes of your time (if that), unless you have difficulties following basic account sign up processes on a website.

And you get that time back with interest in how easy it makes the check-in process. Push notification 24hrs in advance, check in and automatically download boarding pass. Phone has your boarding pass at the airport, as well as push notifications for gate changes. Phone has the baggage carousel information and terminal maps with food and restrooms called out.

Yeah....I get all that on all but the cheapest of discount airlines just by downloading their apps. This is not a "loyalty perk".

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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The most obvious example of this in daily life is through airlines, where the difference is pretty transparent and you get night-and-day better service by being a loyal customer. With top status with AA and UA (EXP and 1K), you connected to U.S.-based very senior phone agents right away, who always make sure to take care of any issue that arises. 50min delay on your AA flight? No problem, sir, we are rebooking you on…

So if you aren't in the top tier, fly Southwest as much as you can. I do. All the same seats with minor differentiation possible. There are many reasons they have been the only airline to be profitable for decades, but having good service for everyone is definitelty one of the reasons.

Absolutely not. Not ever. Their service is fine, but the last thing I want to do is have to pay extra or race to checkin at the exact right time to get the right boarding group to stand in the right place to fight for a seat.

I want my seat to be there, waiting for me, when I feel like getting on the plane.

I don't even go to movie theaters that force me to have seat anxiety. I'm sure not gonna do it on an airline.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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Yes absolutely. Why do you think there's so many tech support fraud? Why do you think Geek Squad is a thing?

So.. if there's a profitable business here, why isn't google running helpdesk over its consumer products? They monetise as good as the next hegemon, why not this?

I've found the customer support for project fi to be fantastic. That's a consumer product.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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I’m taking a probability models class at Wharton from Prof Fader (quoted in the article).. just have to say, it’s been an epic class, and it’s nice to see something like probability (and not the overhyped AI/ML) actually used for something so applicable in industry.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#226
post #57

The most obvious example of this in daily life is through airlines, where the difference is pretty transparent and you get night-and-day better service by being a loyal customer. With top status with AA and UA (EXP and 1K), you connected to U.S.-based very senior phone agents right away, who always make sure to take care of any issue that arises. 50min delay on your AA flight? No problem, sir, we are rebooking you on…

So if you aren't in the top tier, fly Southwest as much as you can. I do. All the same seats with minor differentiation possible. There are many reasons they have been the only airline to be profitable for decades, but having good service for everyone is definitelty one of the reasons.

> There are many reasons they have been the only airline to be profitable for decades

As of roughly a decade ago, according to Philip Greenspun, airline profitability was mostly determined by management's negotiating leverage with unions: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/unions-and-airlines

> Federal aviation regulations, on the other hand, require an airline to operate with pilots who have specific training for and experience at that airline.... An airline whose pilots go out on strike is therefore shut down.

> A competent pilot union negotiator will present the airline with a plan to transfer essentially all expected future profits into the paychecks of pilots. It does not make sense to accept less because the pilots always have the power to strike and shut the airline down. The only real point of discussion would concern the best estimate of what the airline's profits are likely to be during the term of the contract.

> ...Should the economy turn down during the contract period, the pilots, having expected to collect 95 percent of the airline's profits, will in fact be entitled to 115 percent of the airline's profits. As the airlines tend to operate with fairly small reserves, paying out 115 percent of profits results in the airline seeking Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and a federal judge adjusts the pilot union contract so that the pilots are back to collecting 95 percent of the new estimated profit figure.

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> How does Southwest survive and prosper? Since they are constantly growing they don't have as high a percentage of senior pilots as their competitors. Also, their union may be taking a longer/smarter/more realistic view about maximizing its compensation. A union does have an incentive to avoid bankrupting an airline: if the airline goes Chapter 7 (liquidation) rather than Chapter 11 (reorganization), the senior pilots may have to start over at another airline at 1/10th of their former hourly compensation.

Southwest has historically done a lot of things very, very well, but airlines are also a weird business where "profitability" and "not going bankrupt" are strange concerns.

I don't know what about this has changed or if we've just been lucky not to have any high-profile airline bankruptcies since then. Perhaps pilots unions have followed the example of the NBA players' union and have negotiated for a specific revenue share rather than (or in addition to) a hard salary floor.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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post #136

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Yes absolutely. Why do you think there's so many tech support fraud? Why do you think Geek Squad is a thing?

So.. if there's a profitable business here, why isn't google running helpdesk over its consumer products? They monetise as good as the next hegemon, why not this?

They do, it's called Google One and it comes with Drive.

"""Experts, one tap away Get direct access to people who speak fluent Google. If you need help with our products and services, our team of experts is here for you. ""'

https://one.google.com/about

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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post #57

The most obvious example of this in daily life is through airlines, where the difference is pretty transparent and you get night-and-day better service by being a loyal customer. With top status with AA and UA (EXP and 1K), you connected to U.S.-based very senior phone agents right away, who always make sure to take care of any issue that arises. 50min delay on your AA flight? No problem, sir, we are rebooking you on…

You're not wrong, but I feel like they're chasing diminishing returns.

Every other segment of the economy has shown us that people are willing to pay a premium (20%? 50%?) to be treated like a human and get a better service/product.

On airlines, you have to pay 100% more just to get a refundable fare. 300% for premium economy (a slightly wider seat with slightly more legroom). 500% for business class. It's insane, and it makes everyone hate airlines.

Nobody gets upgraded out of goodwill because it's their honeymoon, not anymore. They're chasing the 0.01% of the flying public. Those perks are too valuable to just make ordinary people have a good experience.

I think it's short sighted and it will bite them in the ass. No "normal" person can justify paying 3x as much to have a slightly more comfortable seat for 16 hours. But I CAN afford 20% more to have the latest laptop.

Something about the business traveler spending someone else's money. But it feels shortsighted and I don't think it can last.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#229

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Again: airline yield management is a deep and arcane art. We get glimpses of it through their public policies and pricing, and we can guess at some things through public financial statements that disclose or let us calculate their CASM/PRASM/etc. But the moral of the story is it's not as simple as "selling the seat is always better".

My response was to the statement that the “cheap seats” are very low margin or money losers. The airline and first class ticket buyers needs the economy passengers just as much as vice versa. With the existence of economy-only planes and lack of 1st-class only planes, I’d argue that the “cheap seats” are what makes aviation viable, rather than being a money-loser.

lack of 1st-class only planes

There are a few airlines that fly all-premium configurations on certain routes. Singapore does that on the Singapore-Newark route. British Airways does it on London City to New York. SAS used to on the Houston to Stavanger route.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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>they link my identity to my browser They link your phone number to a session/user along with ad networks who have stored cookies on your machine and use predictive modeling to guess at who you are/what you do. It doesn't work on 90% of the HN crowd, people who block ads/disable javascript, or just don't do a lot of traditional "browsing", but yeah.

You know, I'm quickly reaching a point where I want the default browser to work in Incognito mode, and the browser should only switch to regular mode when I explicitly whitelist the domain.

It's getting to the point where porn goes on the regular browser, legit stuff needs incognito.
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