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Linus Torvalds announces Linux (1991)

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Re: Linus Torvalds announces Linux (1991)

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I can only imagine the first comment was someone telling him it would never work.

Nope: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/comp.os.minix/dlNt... Though Usenet could get toxic at times.

I like how the first comment muses about porting it to Amiga, and Linus reiterates that no, sorry, it's completely impossible to port. Just way too hardware-dependent, don't even bother trying.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know that I would call Linux "one of the first". Usenet had been around for a long time, and there were plenty of projects that were enabled via Usenet and mailing lists. For example, perl predates Linux by four years.

It's also why NetHack (from 1987) was called "Net"Hack.

And “Net”BSD. Collaborating over the Internet was novel at the time.

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I just finished reading the book "Here Comes Everybody" by Clay Shirky (circa 2008). In the book he mentions this very "announcement." What's fascinating, per the book, is Linux was one of the first significant byproducts (if you will) of (internet) connectivity and how that enabled easy group / team formation. In the case of Linux, its growth helped to further connectivity, etc. That is, in creating Linux, it helped…

I don't know that I would call Linux "one of the first". Usenet had been around for a long time, and there were plenty of projects that were enabled via Usenet and mailing lists. For example, perl predates Linux by four years.

I distinctly remember when I became aware of NNTP, the new protocol that allowed Usenet to be distributed almost in real-time, using TCP/IP instead of UUCP. Electronic mail, file transfers, and remote terminals already existed using various other protocols, but seeing Usenet over the Internet made me realize that something new and exciting was about to happen (and a few years later that turned out to be Tim Berners-Lee).

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I can't count the number of times I've read an announcement of some OSS project, gone to the project home page, read it all and still had absolutely no idea what it was, what it did or why it might be important. It is impressive how much Linus had working at that point though. Getting bash and gcc working and a multithreaded FS is no mean feat, and is enough for other people to actually make useful contributions with…

It probably means you're not the target audience.

While this may be true, it can still be helpful to have an FAQ, context, or other way that interested parties can understand applicability.

I fully appreciate shorthand/jargon are ways to communicate complex ideas swiftly. Yet, taking time to provide some form of entry point for the uninitiated shows a disciplined approach that often translates to other areas of the project.

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And yet with all that ... I likely still won't understand what exactly the product or thing is or does. Meanwhile I understand Linus's email well enough.

I can't count the number of times I've read an announcement of some OSS project, gone to the project home page, read it all and still had absolutely no idea what it was, what it did or why it might be important. It is impressive how much Linus had working at that point though. Getting bash and gcc working and a multithreaded FS is no mean feat, and is enough for other people to actually make useful contributions with…

I usually have to go to Wikipedia to learn what a project is about, since their format puts the info in the first couple paragraphs.

If a project is not (yet) there, it's either Github, because markdown readmes somehow force the crux of the matter out of people… or it's goodbye.

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people give Jobs and Gates a lot of credit because they focused on commercial products that were marketed to the public -- Linus, for me, is probably the single most important person to technology (software) in the last 35 years. With Linux and Git alone, it as impactful and game changing in this industry that I can think of. I cannot think of any person that's been this important to my career and my income.

Somewhere in a cavern full of sandals, a Stallmanu is quietly weeping.

Would there have been a GPL without Stallman?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the pitches I’ve seen, it’s very much the opposite. ”We are about to completely upend the X industry, with a market potential of hundreds of billions”

"We are disrupting the AI blockchain cannabis industry using state of the art AR/VR technology"

Only "state of the art"? Dropped.

Re: Linus Torvalds announces Linux (1991)

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people give Jobs and Gates a lot of credit because they focused on commercial products that were marketed to the public -- Linus, for me, is probably the single most important person to technology (software) in the last 35 years. With Linux and Git alone, it as impactful and game changing in this industry that I can think of. I cannot think of any person that's been this important to my career and my income.

I’m not detracting from Linus at all but it’s just a kernel - I think one of the BSD’s would have filled the void

Re: Linus Torvalds announces Linux (1991)

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> I'm doing a (free) operating system (__just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu__) for 386(486) AT clones. [...] and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(. __just a hobby, won't be big and professional like X__ probably is how most of the startups get started.

Was that a dog at GNU’s vapor ware OS?
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