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Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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Basically I agree with this sentiment "So what should we conclude? Green et al. get it right: “Before circumcising millions of men in regions with high prevalences of HIV infection, it is important to consider alternatives. A comparison of male circumcision to condom use concluded that supplying free condoms is 95 times more cost effective.”"

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.pr...

Bill Gates doesn't seem to care that that science behind the project is terrible. It must have been pointed out to him, yet he was still promoting the project in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovf8GYfNbw&t=40s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFtSt862sKY - how much informed consent do you think was involved here?

A lawsuit against PSI Zimbabwe, also supported[1] by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation http://nehandaradio.com/2018/09/02/400-000-circumcision-laws...

15,269,720 "voluntary medical male circumcisions" based on this bogus science http://www.aidsmap.com/PEPFAR-funded-15-million-medical-male...

[1] https://www.psi.org/2016/11/using-market-research-for-long-t...

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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The page currently times out loading, but from what I gather from the title, it seems that my distrust in the circumcicion against AIDS stories was on track.

It always felt a bit like puritans trying to find empiric evidence for their moral and cultural traditions.

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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The page currently times out loading, but from what I gather from the title, it seems that my distrust in the circumcicion against AIDS stories was on track. It always felt a bit like puritans trying to find empiric evidence for their moral and cultural traditions.

Cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.pr...

There is a definite neo-colonial shadow hanging over it

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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Basically I agree with this sentiment "So what should we conclude? Green et al. get it right: “Before circumcising millions of men in regions with high prevalences of HIV infection, it is important to consider alternatives. A comparison of male circumcision to condom use concluded that supplying free condoms is 95 times more cost effective.”"

Says it all, really. Interestingly the same applies back home...

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.pr... Bill Gates doesn't seem to care that that science behind the project is terrible. It must have been pointed out to him, yet he was still promoting the project in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovf8GYfNbw&t=40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFtSt862sKY - how much informed consent do you think was involved here? A lawsuit against PSI Zimbabwe, al…

Didn't realise how into it Bill Gates was - thanks for pointing that out.

Hearing that boy's sadness in that video is very upsetting.

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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The page currently times out loading, but from what I gather from the title, it seems that my distrust in the circumcicion against AIDS stories was on track. It always felt a bit like puritans trying to find empiric evidence for their moral and cultural traditions.

This is why we need to integrate more africans into modern science fields.

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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The page currently times out loading, but from what I gather from the title, it seems that my distrust in the circumcicion against AIDS stories was on track. It always felt a bit like puritans trying to find empiric evidence for their moral and cultural traditions.

It’s unbelievable how far people will twist themselves in knots trying to find utilitarian justifications for what is, at the end of the day, non-consensual mutilation done for no reason other than “because tradition.”

Re: Why the “circumcision solution” to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase it

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There is also the aspect of who has a dog in the fight and skin in the game.

When you have Americans telling Africans to get themselves circumcised you do have to wonder what is really going on, particularly when there is this dubious level of 'science'.

In the U.S. there is always the profit motive. Hence male circumcision is sold to parents as hygienic and beneficial, they go along with it and the hospital makes some money, everyone getting bonuses except for the baby boy.

To contrast with this profit-motive-situation you have places like the UK where healthcare is provided by the government - e.g. the NHS. The hospital has no financial incentive to circumcise as many boys as possible, doing so would be a cost, not a profitable thing, so it doesn't happen. Therefore the population ends up being un-circumcised as a general rule.

By adulthood men have had long enough to rationalise with what happened to their foreskin. If it has been removed then they tend to want this for others including their own boys. Meanwhile, those with intact foreskin don't talk about such matters in public as they know that open discussion will deeply hurt someone in the room who has been circumcised.

I think that this experiment to circumcise millions of African men for their own good would have been easier to get to the bottom of if everyone involved had to explain their viewpoint in just their 'birthday suit'.

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