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Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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It’s not that different. Usually 1/2” or 1” wide and run at a faster speed but the chemistry is the same.

Doesn't running faster and having that extra width have the effect of giving more physical space on the tape to the changes in magnetization? And therefore wider frequency range or more stable differences in amplitude? Sort of like how SP (2 hour) on a VHS tape looks much better than LP (4 hour) or ELP (6 hour).

It does, but plenty of albums have been recorded on 4 track machines to 1/4" tape.

The real difference in quality is probably mostly in having a machine that's properly setup and calibrated, with a good transport to minimize flutter, etc.

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The weakest "link" in the "audio-chain" (if you exclude the room) are passive speakers with distortion above 1% The best speakers i heard to date are from a german company called Backes & Müller. Active crossovers, each speaker has its own poweramp and a sensor attached to the membrane. The signal of the sensor is fed back into a comparator which calculates the difference to the music signal, this is then used to for…

Those look intriguing. I would like to hear them. One of the things I’ve lamented as time and technology march on is how high fi seems to have lost it’s mainstream appeal. It seems like when I was growing up there was a wide continuum of commodity grade to mid grade to prosumer to high end gear available. There was always ridiculous high end stuff but even companies like Sony pioneer and technics had a higher end lin…

We had some older B&Ms at our house back in the day (also an audiophile middle class household). As a musician myself, I'd say they're worth the money if you can afford it. (I think they were around $8000 each or something).

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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After I started building my own audio gear, I am no longer impressed by what you can buy in the consumer market, no longer how much "audiophile" these systems claim to be. Usually, it's just a simple 2-way boombox sold for $xxx - $xxxx. I started my project after being disappointed with the sound quality of the Apple Homepod. So, I built my own version with inbuilt basic voice command integration. And I couldn't be h…

That looks awesome, post the guide please!

Alright, will post it soon on my Medium1: https://medium.com/build-ideas

Thank you :)

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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It's bizarre how none of these chips seem to have a digital input. All my music is digital, and despite the modern rise of vinyl, I don't think that's unusual. If I want an amplifier like this then I'm forced to have a completely useless DAC/ADC pair degrading the signal quality. Does anybody know of an easily available class-D amplifier with digital input? You'd think that would be an obvious feature for a digital a…

Don't they make these ICs with I2S? Then all you need is something that digitally interfaces with your source (eg toslink, usb) and "unpacks" the PCM data and sends it out via i2s. Edit: look for example at TI TAS5756M, TAS3251 or TAS5825M.

Thanks, those are the kind of chips I was looking for. And S/PDIF to I2S transceivers are also available, so they could be used with common consumer audio equipment.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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Not actually true about recording equipment. Top end mixing desks cost > $1m. Top end engineers and producers usually have at least $100k of outboard processing on hand - everything from mic preamps to vintage compressors. Top end mastering studios will work with similar budgets. Add exotic guitars, vintage synthesizers, and other esoterica, and the total hardware budget for a mainstream commercial hit album is comfo…

Yes but the point is the signal path in those probably less than $100 end to end. Instruments excepted. A decent audio grade opamp is $2 for example.

I'm assuming you mean instruments and microphones excepted, because many high-end recording microphones cost $1000 and up. Yes, there are legends of a few albums being recorded with only a few SM57 (a $100 mic), but they're the exception - and most such albums aren't generally regarded as audiophile-quality.

But regardless, even just the input transformer on most mixing consoles costs at least $100. And many extremely high-end consoles use discrete opamps which can get really expensive. There's also a lot of tube-based outboard gear in studios.

Sure, you could build a mixing desk with only $2 opamps and no transformers, no tubes, etc. But that would sound bad. Unlike the audiophile world, recording isn't about doing everything possible to prevent distortion - if it was, all recording would be done with calibrated measurement microphones and other various lab equipment.

So how can distortion be good in recording if it's bad in reproduction? A few reasons. IM distortion, for starters - distorting every channel individually is going to sound much different (and in most cases, better) than distorting the mix of all the channels.

But also, in recording, the distortion is finely tuned to the exact song, by someone who gets paid hundreds of dollars an hour because they are very good at it (and yes, good at getting it to sound even better on a variety of different systems). A recording engineer can use exactly whatever mic preamp they think will sound best for the song. Yes, audiophiles do tend to adjust tiny settings for each song, but not to the degree that recording engineers do - no audiophile is going to own 20 different amps and switch them out for different parts of different songs (or at least not on a regular basis).

Recording engineers can also do so on an individual channel basis - use one preamp for the vocals, a different one for the large-diaphragm condenser over the piano, another different one for a small-diaphragm condenser pointed right at the piano hammers, etc. Unless they're using Dolby Atmos or some other multichannel format, an audiophile doesn't even have that option, no matter how much they enjoy tweaking minor settings.

So no, the signal path is certainly not way less than $100 worth of components - and it wouldn't sound nearly as good if it was.

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post #245

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Don't they make these ICs with I2S? Then all you need is something that digitally interfaces with your source (eg toslink, usb) and "unpacks" the PCM data and sends it out via i2s. Edit: look for example at TI TAS5756M, TAS3251 or TAS5825M.

Thanks, those are the kind of chips I was looking for. And S/PDIF to I2S transceivers are also available, so they could be used with common consumer audio equipment.

TI has a nice product search. E.g.: http://www.ti.com/audio-ic/amplifiers/speaker-amplifiers/pro...

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Yes, the definition of linearity is that f(A) + f(B) = f(A+B), which you have contradicted in your GP post. If a transistor is fully on, then doubling the input voltage to it will not double the output, because it's already at maximum. That is very precisely not a linear device. That's why linear amplifiers, like Class A, operate the transistor in a partially switched state, where increasing the input signal (about s…

Thanks but no thanks. When a transistor is off, it’s off. Then it takes a certain input voltage to get it going. Then there’s a varying curve to full output. In contrast, fully switching on or off “gets rid of the curve” and tranforms the problem into one of timing, and one of a modulation scheme for a series of on or off states. In that respect I contend that it is an useful thought to consider transistors’ behavior…

It's an interesting contradiction to build a more linear amplifier by intentionally using the transistors themselves in a non-linear fashion.

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Modern class D amps are terrific, but it's annoying to see THD brought up as a measure of audio quality. THD is terrible measurement - its value is not that it's relevant (except to demonstrate things aren't actually broken), but rather that it's easy to measure. An amplifier's ability to reproduce a 1khz sine wave into a resistive load tells us nothing about how it behaves in the face of 8-10 octaves of frequency ra…

I'll never forget my wakeup call on the differences of sound between amplifiers. I had been listening to headphones on my Techniqs receiver, a well regarded unit with a THD of 0.04%. For some reason I plugged the headphones into my Nakamichi cassette recorder instead, and was blown away by how much better they sounded. Until then I had thought that amplifiers were a solved problem and the inaccuracies of transducers like headphones would mask the tiny differences between them. I never expected to be wrong.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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Google audiophile headphones. Then go to sweetwater and search for studio headphones. If the price of source gear is a quarter of the price of gear attempting to reproduce source, something is broken.

I needed a good set of headphones a few weeks ago, as my work environment has changed and I have more background noise than before. Instead of trying to find something audiophile (I have Grados already) I went to Guitar Center. They had a huge selection and in 30 minutes of trying out different models I had something I was happy with and could leave in an unlocked drawer.
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