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Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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post #285

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You do a chromosomal analysis on everyone before you use a gendered pronoun to describe them? Because you can't tell what their chromosomes are just by appearance.

I can have an educated guess from just a brief glance -- especially if the other person doesn't actively tries to mislead me on such an important issue.

And why the fuck do you care about other people's chromosomes?

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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I don't understand this at all. Google chief executive Sundar Pichai has told staff he supports their right to take the action. "I understand the anger and disappointment that many of you feel," he said in an all-staff email. "I feel it as well, and I am fully committed to making progress on an issue that has persisted for far too long in our society… and, yes, here at Google, too." If someone at the top is sincerely…

Words are cheap.

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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I don't understand this at all. Google chief executive Sundar Pichai has told staff he supports their right to take the action. "I understand the anger and disappointment that many of you feel," he said in an all-staff email. "I feel it as well, and I am fully committed to making progress on an issue that has persisted for far too long in our society… and, yes, here at Google, too." If someone at the top is sincerely…

Right words are one thing (and welcome). Right actions are another thing (also welcome).

disclosure: Google employee

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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I don't understand this at all. Google chief executive Sundar Pichai has told staff he supports their right to take the action. "I understand the anger and disappointment that many of you feel," he said in an all-staff email. "I feel it as well, and I am fully committed to making progress on an issue that has persisted for far too long in our society… and, yes, here at Google, too." If someone at the top is sincerely…

source/disclosure: am google employee, didn't walk though

The way it's organized, it's also kind of a social event. Lot of folks didn't just walk out, but went to B40 to specifically walk out there.

They probably saw it as an opportunity to meet others and share thoughts on the topic. Find solidarity and get support

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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I don't understand this at all. Google chief executive Sundar Pichai has told staff he supports their right to take the action. "I understand the anger and disappointment that many of you feel," he said in an all-staff email. "I feel it as well, and I am fully committed to making progress on an issue that has persisted for far too long in our society… and, yes, here at Google, too." If someone at the top is sincerely…

Words are cheap.

and so are walkouts

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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Very disappointed with mainstream media coverage here.

The walkout is being headlined as a complaint against harassment. It's not. It's a complaint against the company (rightly so) valuing its corporate reputation in the world in which we live vs standing behind the victims as if they were family, and going medieval (eg excommunication) on the harassers.

Certainly there's a balance and perhaps google is on the wrong side of it, but don't kid yourself, google isn't going to take your insignificant side of it when the other side is a $100MM liability to an executive.

That a walkout like this only happens at Google and not, say, microsoft, where surely sexual harassment also occurs and is also brushed aside, is telling about the employee culture at Google. It's sad that the media coverage is so trivial and can't look deeper.

And to the organizers: you should have recruited tech workers at all FAANG to support this walkout. You missed a moment.

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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post #295

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It's because even though there is no data to support the wage gap, it's very unpopular to question it. Christina Hoff Summers is a pioneer in the field of gender equality and has paid a huge price by actually investigating these issues. It's a risky position to take in today's political climate so not many have followed her footsteps.

>there is no data to support the wage gap This is false. https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-a... >it's very unpopular to question it. Also false, it's very popular (and almost cliché) to dismiss it. >Christina Hoff Summers... has paid a huge price by actually investigating these issues. And what price would that be? She seems extremely successful. http://www.aei.org/scholar/christina-hoff-somm…

From your link:

"$3.27 less per hour than men. The median hourly wage is $15.67 for women and $18.94 for men.

The gender wage gap is a measure of what women are paid relative to men. It is commonly calculated by dividing women’s wages by men’s wages, and this ratio is often expressed as a percent, or in dollar terms. This tells us how much a woman is paid for each dollar paid to a man. This gender pay ratio is often measured for year-round, full-time workers and compares the annual wages (of hourly wage and salaried workers) of the median (“typical”) man with that of the median (“typical”) woman; measured this way, the current gender pay ratio is 0.796, or, expressed as a percent, it is 79.6 percent (U.S. Census Bureau 2016). In other words, for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes about 80 cents."

It's meaningless to compare different positions pay to each other. "Typical" men vs "typical" women doesn't tell us anything about potential discrimination.

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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I don't understand this at all. Google chief executive Sundar Pichai has told staff he supports their right to take the action. "I understand the anger and disappointment that many of you feel," he said in an all-staff email. "I feel it as well, and I am fully committed to making progress on an issue that has persisted for far too long in our society… and, yes, here at Google, too." If someone at the top is sincerely…

Words are cheap.

So is grandstanding by people with well paid, cushy as hell jobs who are happy to point fingers.

My mother always told me "When you point a finger at others, you have three fingers pointing back at you." What are these people personally doing to ensure that they are respecting women, creating the right kind of social climate at work, etc?

Because all the policy in the world can't per se fix a shitty culture. Shitty culture is as shitty culture does and it is perpetuated by every single individual in the organization and their individual choices.

I'm not impressed with people who point fingers. They are usually people wanting someone else to fix a problem so they don't have to actually change.

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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Write a contrarian opinion - get publicly fired zero tolerance style, coerce for sex using the force of your position - get quietly paid $90M.

Looks like Google thinks that the former is much worse than the latter. Either that, or they apply different sexual harassment policies for rank-and-file employees and executives.

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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They tolerate it because it’s largely unenforceable.

That is one reason. Many people aren't even aware of such draconian policies they are signing up for. And companies are probably counting on it too. It is also possible that even the owners of the company (especially small, family owned companies) aren't aware of these dumb policies. They just trust their lawyers to write up the contracts. There was a comment recently on HN - employee reads up the contract, goes to t…

It’s like they select a box for “maximum liability protection” not realizing some of it provides no protection at all
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