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Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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Post by brobdingnagians »

n4r9 wrote: post #3

Interesting to contrast this story with Damore's claims of left-wing bias and overemphasis on diversity and inclusion. It's uncomfortable exercise to put myself in the shoes of a young woman considering applying to Google; the prospect of unwanted advances from higher-ups and suspicions from the occasional peer of being hired for my gender might be enough to put me off completely.

The interesting thing is that the #MeToo movement naturally targeted a lot of liberals, because almost everyone in Hollywood is liberal. The right also has some issues with harassment, etc. but the left is far from immune to having it and in some ways has more trouble. I'm not sure why that is, but the "free love" and unrestrained sexual expression type culture of the left might have something to do with it.

Re: Google staff walk out over women's treatment

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Post by JacobJans »

ChrisRR wrote: post #10

So the first demand is "A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequality" I'd like to see the actual data behind this constant inequality claim. I would be genuinely interested to see what kind of difference there is between the sexes when comparing like-for-like jobs. I've heard speculation that women don't argue for higher salaries as much as men, I've also heard that the data is never accurate because it doesn't…

That's what they're asking for too: more data.

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Post by rwmj »

mike22223333 wrote: post #8

Google should just fire all of the employee protesters. This is getting out of hand. There are plenty of other people who are in the line and wont make a drama for the company.

Shouldn't employees have the right to collectively strike to get better conditions at work? There's a lot more at stake here than "drama for the company".

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Post by kaddio »

devwastaken wrote: post #9
xfitm3 wrote: post #4

What can you do.

Typically that kind of evidence doesn't just make itself available due to the nature of the crime. If employees themselves are orchestrating protests, they probably have information we don't. You can't just start dropping names and slandering.

A big mistake to believe those protestors are acting rationally. I'm not saying they are not, but assuming that they are is a mistake.

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Post by devwastaken »

mike22223333 wrote: post #8

Google should just fire all of the employee protesters. This is getting out of hand. There are plenty of other people who are in the line and wont make a drama for the company.

Why is being in line your first argument? I can understand somewhat if you're used to that in a country that does not respect humans as individuals, but nobody with a grasp of 1st world liberty should agree with it. You treat people as you wish to be treated. If those people are wrong, say good reasons why, but when you jump to an argument similiar to fascism it sounds like you're projecting your issues.

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Post by pjc50 »

mike22223333 wrote: post #8

Google should just fire all of the employee protesters. This is getting out of hand. There are plenty of other people who are in the line and wont make a drama for the company.

Well, that's a way of being remembered forever while also having other employees quit in solidarity.

(Edit into this dying thread: reports of the walkout in Google Dublin: https://twitter.com/evelyn_orourke/status/105795687016449228... )

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Post by brobdingnagians »

ChrisRR wrote: post #10

So the first demand is "A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequality" I'd like to see the actual data behind this constant inequality claim. I would be genuinely interested to see what kind of difference there is between the sexes when comparing like-for-like jobs. I've heard speculation that women don't argue for higher salaries as much as men, I've also heard that the data is never accurate because it doesn't…

Time magazine, which doesn't exactly seem to be a bastion of conservatism, had an article about this http://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/ , which had more hard-facts than anyone else I've seen, but the conclusion was that most of the claims made by the wage gap supporters are cherrypicked and false. Although, if Google specifically has a problem with it, I'd definitely be willing to listen. If they are protecting people like Rubin, it does seem plausible that other things could be going on.

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Post by steve_g »

mike22223333 wrote: post #8

Google should just fire all of the employee protesters. This is getting out of hand. There are plenty of other people who are in the line and wont make a drama for the company.

I'm pretty sure firing employees because they are involved in a "concerted activity" to improve their working conditions violates US law.

It would be legal to "replace" them with new employees, but that's not practical (or warranted) for a one-day walkout.

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