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Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by woolvalley »

dublidu wrote: post #261
hagope wrote: post #223

Is this an accurate representation of comp? For the equity portion, for example if the value is calculated at 2018 peak stock market levels (RSU are granted in # of shares, not value of shares) then shouldn't all the equity values be discounted by the 10-20% drop in FANG stock values?

Yes. Senior engineers at these companies are heavily compensated via equity. Total comp can fluctuate by tens of thousands each month. Its crazy hoe much picking a job has become an exercise in stock picking, and it’s crazy how little our individual performance correlates with comp.

I have a saying that we didn't become all of a sudden better people, but that we are over priced like houses in the bay area, subject to similar dynamics because the demand is large and from the wealthiest companies in the world.

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Post by JimboOmega »

kasey_junk wrote: post #137
JimboOmega wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two problems with these: 1) If you aren't at one of these companies, it's not a fair comparison. It's really difficult to find a pre-IPO company who is going to compensate you like these, if for no other reason than that options are just not something you can easily stick a dollar value on. 2) It's kind of depressing. It's very easy to find people at similar experience levels as you making FAR more money (p…

Finance pays similar rates as this in lots of places (Chicago, New York, Austin, Houston, Dallas). These are just jobs I know of in my network. I’ve heard that these pay band exists in other industries as well (consulting, specialist niche, etc).

I'll take a finance software engineering job in NYC at these rates. It'll mean relocating, but for a 50% salary hike, I can manage.

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Post by JimboOmega »

rco8786 wrote: post #181
JimboOmega wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two problems with these: 1) If you aren't at one of these companies, it's not a fair comparison. It's really difficult to find a pre-IPO company who is going to compensate you like these, if for no other reason than that options are just not something you can easily stick a dollar value on. 2) It's kind of depressing. It's very easy to find people at similar experience levels as you making FAR more money (p…

I’ve written extensive ruby at 2 of the companies listed on this site (including my current job which is 100% ruby)

Which? I've had conversations worth Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Amazon that all got weird about Ruby. If there are hidden Ruby jobs, I'd love a referral to them

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Post by kcmp »

ACow_Adonis wrote: post #230
mav3rick wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is that this tool is bad because it makes you sad ?. Information is empowering use it to make informed choices about your career. If you're taking less money, make sure there is some trade off you're happy with. Also, most Google jobs are language agnostic. You can code in pretty much one of C/C++, Java, Python, Google hires for generalists. Your Ruby experience is not what's holding you back, s…

Says google is code agnostic. Provides list of the three languages you specifically need to code in. Perhaps agnostic means something different in my language :p

Those three are just the ones that will get you quickest interview scheduled. If you want to do something not listed it'll just take a little longer to find someone to interview you

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Post by joshuamorton »

Zaheer wrote: post #31
imbusy111 wrote: post #17

Either I was: 1) seriously underpaid at Google, 2) things have changed a lot in the past half year or 3) the stats do not reflect real averages.

Keep in mind that new hire salaries at the same level are typically higher than folks internally who have been at that level for some time. The market rate has actually gone up significantly in last 1-2 years.

This uhh isn't normally the case at Google. There are almost no cases where a new grad will make more in base salary than an existing employee. And relatively few where a new grad will make more in tc than an existing employee, although that does happen.

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Post by m4r71n »

Does anyone know of similar data but for EU countries? As was already mentioned in this thread, salaries differ from the US quite a bit, but it would still be nice to know what the norm is.

I'm considering moving to Germany and have no idea what salary I should be asking for in interviews for a senior software engineer, nor do I know where to find out this information.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by saiya-jin »

m4r71n wrote: post #317

Does anyone know of similar data but for EU countries? As was already mentioned in this thread, salaries differ from the US quite a bit, but it would still be nice to know what the norm is. I'm considering moving to Germany and have no idea what salary I should be asking for in interviews for a senior software engineer, nor do I know where to find out this information.

glassdoor? Or check expat forums in germany for the same question (I am sure they will be annoyed to hear it a millionth time, but you should find useful info)

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Post by Rinzler89 »

nouseforaname wrote: post #234
seattleeng wrote: post #10

Huge fan of this site, for two reasons: - It lets “outsiders” to the tech scene understand salary and levels at big companies. If you went to MIT you probably already have frat brothers/sorority sisters or an alumni network that consists of senior engineers at these big companies that know the promotion and compensation schemes well. But if you were an equally smart student who went to a non target school, many of th…

Also a huge fan. When I got my first full time engineering job at $50k I thought that was amazing. It literally allowed me to leapfrog my entire family and secured what I thought of as a middle class existence. Then I got a salary adjustment to $70k because my new manager knew (although I didn't) that they'd lose me quickly. And then I picked up the phone and talked to a recruiter and all the sudden I had a counterof…

Congrats on your achievements. Could you detail a bit more on your studies and the jobs you had? I'd like to take a similar path.

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Post by m4r71n »

saiya-jin wrote: post #318
m4r71n wrote: post #317

Does anyone know of similar data but for EU countries? As was already mentioned in this thread, salaries differ from the US quite a bit, but it would still be nice to know what the norm is. I'm considering moving to Germany and have no idea what salary I should be asking for in interviews for a senior software engineer, nor do I know where to find out this information.

glassdoor? Or check expat forums in germany for the same question (I am sure they will be annoyed to hear it a millionth time, but you should find useful info)

Glassdoor is a good starting point but it would be nice to know of a community-gathered data source. Any pointers to specific expat forums?
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