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Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by __float »

josh2600 wrote: post #96
usaar333 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your L4+ levels seem pushed up by one to two. Levels should align to manager equivilent scopes. Based on my own experience at peer company and https://www.quora.com/What-are-all-the-job-levels-in-Googles... L4: Capable of independent work on a project and coordinating with a small group (1-2 others). (note this is PhD starting level) L5: Capable of leading your team (e.g. as a tech lead). Maps to entry-level manager…

To be clear, there are different levels for managers and engineers. An L7 engineer is a seriously dope engineer (like the kind of person you'd want to found a hard technical company with; think low-level problems like DMA). An L7 manager maps to a senior engineering manager. I have talked to a couple L9 engineers and they're monstrous. L9 managers are directors or VPs.

Why is "hard tech" == "low-level"? There are plenty of interesting and challenging technical problems that are "higher level" but more difficult due to scale/latency/etc demands.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by malmsteen »

Pfhreak wrote: post #62
Zaheer wrote: post #3

Hi, I'm one the makers of Levels.fyi. Happy to answer any questions and would love to hear feedback! We have a lot of features in the coming months that we think folks will love!

Consider adding non-binary genders to the comp reporting. Something as simple as 'other' or 'non-binary' would be nice. The challenges that non-binary folks face can sometimes be different, and it might be nice to see that reflected in the comp tool. Edit: I wouldn't ask, except that the tool already asks for gender. If you are already asking for a gender, you should consider include options beyond male/female. Curio…

There's barely enough data to make statistic over the whole population in his website i'm not sure it would make sense to isolate specific minority who would have like 1% of the already little data...

i'd be more into removing the male / female distinction overall in the website

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by RomanPushkin »

lordnacho wrote: post #14

Can you really make a million bucks with just 10 years experience as a T7 at Google? What does a "Senior Staff SWE" do? Are there a lot of them?

Why not? Folks with this level of knowledge are usually capable to establish their own company, which can lead to even more financial outcome. I don't see any reason for Google (or any other business) pay them to improve already existing services.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by iztyhi »

Tade0 wrote: post #67
slivym wrote: post #7

Here's a slightly related open question: Are Engineers in the US just much richer than in the UK? For perspective, I started my career with an MEng in Electronic and Electrical Engineering as a Hardware Design Engineer at £35k (I out-earned most of my fellow graduates). It seems like these salaries are just comically disjointed from my entire experience of life. Can anyone here speak to the differences? Everything I'…

I've been struggling with a similar question lately (only Poland instead of the UK and... the UK instead of the US) and here's what I've come up with: It's not about being paid poorly/well - it's about serving a specific market segment. To give an example: I work for a company based in Poland so I get to do "Tier 3" stuff, namely churn out apps with a Java back-end and an Angular/React/Vue/whatever front-end. I make…

> churn out apps with a Java back-end and an Angular/React/Vue/whatever front-end

That's basically what all of us product engineers at FB do, it's just that there's so much competition for engineers here that they have to pay us well.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by stephencanon »

slivym wrote: post #40
kmonsen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for Google in London and SF, the was a significant salary difference but also some personal growth. Still it could be at least 2-3x

Right, I get the salary is 2-3x, but does that translate to a much bigger house? Better schools for your kids? Holidays to St Moritz? Or is it more like, 2-3x most of which goes into rent, health insurance and local taxes?

A lot goes to rent/mortgage and taxes (US salaries are quoted pre-tax, in the income bands under discussion the marginal tax rate is around 50%), but especially for two-income households there's plenty left over for nice vacations. I prefer Zermatt, personally.

As sibling notes, all of these firms pay nearly all insurance costs for the employee. Employee contribution will be a few tens of dollars per month typically.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by acchow »

slivym wrote: post #7

Here's a slightly related open question: Are Engineers in the US just much richer than in the UK? For perspective, I started my career with an MEng in Electronic and Electrical Engineering as a Hardware Design Engineer at £35k (I out-earned most of my fellow graduates). It seems like these salaries are just comically disjointed from my entire experience of life. Can anyone here speak to the differences? Everything I'…

> Here's a slightly related open question: Are Engineers in the US just much richer than in the UK?

On average/median, a big richer (a bit more than the higher GDP per capita would imply)

The dramatic difference will be comparing the 90th percentiles (top 10% of engineers).

The target companies pay new grads $120-150k total compensation (across salary, annual bonus, and equity). If you change jobs after 2 years, you're looking at $250k total compensation.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by georgeburdell »

Perhaps a stupid question, but are the comparable levels for equal seniority or impact of work, or equal compensation? If the latter, they definitely don't line up, especially FAANG vs. non-FAANG. If the former, it seems about right; wife and I are both staff-level at two different companies and the tiers are next to each other.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by phd514 »

Zaheer wrote: post #3

Hi, I'm one the makers of Levels.fyi. Happy to answer any questions and would love to hear feedback! We have a lot of features in the coming months that we think folks will love!

I added my comp at one of the listed companies a couple weeks back and it never showed up in your list. I'm not sure if there are bugs in your front end or lots of false negatives in your spam filtering or what. I'm happy to contribute to such an effort but not to the point where I have to figure out how to game your submission process.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Post by amazon_tossaway »

Amazonian here. Can anyone else from Amazon speak to whether you think these numbers look accurate?

I'm sitting here in almost disbelief at how little I apparently make at AMZN. I don't think I have anyone to ask that would know and would be willing to give any kind of answer.

I've been fairly content at Amazon. I've done good work, and have been a resource to others on my team. But if these numbers are right, I don't think I can stay much longer.

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