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Re: Unicode Dicks

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> Apparently the ancient Egyptians were not aware of the comedic value of this symbol to future generations. I wouldn't be so sure about that...

Right, I'm sure even people in antiquity thought bodies and poop were funny.

Whenever I read about Roman graffiti, I can't help but think humans have't changed all that much over time:

http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%2...

Re: Unicode Dicks

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That would be unfortunate for people working with or discussing Egyptian texts. It's not like this is an uncommon symbol in hieroglyphic texts.

How many Egyptologists are discussing hyroglyphics on social media?

I'm no Egyptologist, but I have discussed middle Egyptian hieroglyphic texts on Facebook. Admittedly, images, images of text produced by JSesh, and standard transliterations are more common than Unicode.

Re: Unicode Dicks

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They didn't remove em, it just never occured to them to have them. There's still an interesting question about why old languages from that region didn't have vowels, if this is true of other ancient written languages from other regions, when vowels were added/why/etc.

Still strange, given the rebus principle of phonetic hieroglyph use mentioned above: why would I use a pictures of a bee and a rock to form the sound baroque? Why not a bar and a rock (or a ba, whatever that would be)? If you take existing, drawable words you implicitly get the vowels with the consonants, unless explicitly ruled out by convention. Maybe the answer is dialects, that there was much wider consensus over…

Actually in ancient Egyptian in many cases there are multiple ways to write a given word as multiple characters could yield the same sounds.

Re: Unicode Dicks

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post #92

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Right, I'm sure even people in antiquity thought bodies and poop were funny.

Whenever I read about Roman graffiti, I can't help but think humans have't changed all that much over time: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%2...

There are some there... yea. We haven't changed that much. What did Chie ever do?

Re: Unicode Dicks

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This symbol has a couple of uses in writing ancient Egyptian. The most common use is probably as a determinative. Ancient Egyptian, much like many Semitic languages, omits the vowels in a word in writing. Determinatives are ideograms that disambiguate between several words with the same consonants but different meanings. This symbol is used to denote maleness or strength. For example, 𓂓𓏺 is ka for "spirit." 𓂓𓂸 is…

The most common use is probably as a determinative. Ancient Egyptian, much like many Semitic languages, omits the vowels in a word in writing. Determinatives are ideograms that disambiguate between several words with the same consonants but different meanings. That's an interesting fact. As someone with no knowledge of how languages are formed it makes me wonder why have a written language that purposefully omits vow…

I imagine it's a bit like early music notations which left out the rhythm. The idea being that you'd probably have heard the music already, so the rhythm part would be passed verbally and didn't need to be written. Likewise with vowels...

Re: Unicode Dicks

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It was actually pretty uncommon for ancient humans to draw the human form, let alone dicks. I think one of the earlier images with a dick in it was of birdman. More current anthro or art history buffs hopefully will put me in my place. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux#/media/File%3ALascau...

Edit I mention this becaus the author speculates humans have been drawing dicks for ages. Society had been much more interested in the female form. See the Venus figurines: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurines

This all makes a bit of sense if you acknowledge the patriarchy: how much of your interest and indeed porn is dick focused after you’re 12?

Re: Unicode Dicks

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This symbol has a couple of uses in writing ancient Egyptian. The most common use is probably as a determinative. Ancient Egyptian, much like many Semitic languages, omits the vowels in a word in writing. Determinatives are ideograms that disambiguate between several words with the same consonants but different meanings. This symbol is used to denote maleness or strength. For example, 𓂓𓏺 is ka for "spirit." 𓂓𓂸 is…

The most common use is probably as a determinative. Ancient Egyptian, much like many Semitic languages, omits the vowels in a word in writing. Determinatives are ideograms that disambiguate between several words with the same consonants but different meanings. That's an interesting fact. As someone with no knowledge of how languages are formed it makes me wonder why have a written language that purposefully omits vow…

> That's an interesting fact. As someone with no knowledge of how languages are formed it makes me wonder why have a written language that purposefully omits vowels if other characters would need to be introduced in their place for disambiguation? What was the point of removing vowels?

My understanding is the Semitic languages don't use vowels the same way that Indo-European languages do, and they can be typically inferred from context.

Also, they didn't "remove" vowels, but rather Indo-Europeans added them. Specifically when the Greeks adopted the Phonetician alphabet, they took a bunch of the letters that stood for consonants they didn't use and re-purposed them to represent the vowels that they needed to intelligibly write their language.

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