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Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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It is refreshing to see these types of articles. Of all disciplines of human interests and hobbies, Audiophiles are one of the most stubborn, misinformed, anecdotal and delusional bunch. Of course I am generalizing, but every time I engage in a discussion about audio quality, it is a losing battle. Not because of lack of data or supporting evidence, but because of the fundamental dissent for data driven arguments. Yo…

Of course they’re anecdotal - listening to music is a subjective experience. If someone really thinks their music sounds better after adding $100 cable lifters and taping $50 bags of rocks to their $10,000 system, they are automatically correct . Their ears, their hobby. It would be like saying that something can’t work because it’s a placebo - even if all they’re getting is a sugar pill, if the symptoms went away, t…

Placebo effects are real.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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Any DAC chip and some usb interface for it that you could recommend to go with this? And slightly OT, but does anybody know any ABX test of balanced input/output signal? I find it hard to believe that there is a single person who can hear the difference.

There's thousands of options. Schiit are generally regarded for having high quality products that are relatively cheap. A good place to find DAC reviews is head-fi: https://www.head-fi.org/forums/dedicated-source-components.7...

Thousands of options is why I asked for a recommendation. I know Schiit has good reviews but I'm just interested in ICs. Something like PCM2707C for USB communication or PCM1794A for DAC or whatever else.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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post #60

It is refreshing to see these types of articles. Of all disciplines of human interests and hobbies, Audiophiles are one of the most stubborn, misinformed, anecdotal and delusional bunch. Of course I am generalizing, but every time I engage in a discussion about audio quality, it is a losing battle. Not because of lack of data or supporting evidence, but because of the fundamental dissent for data driven arguments. Yo…

> one of the most stubborn, misinformed, anecdotal and delusional bunch I've had professional recording artists tell me they won't use MIDI over USB because the volume is lower than the old 9-pin connectors.

Wait, what? The “volume” of MIDI? I’m guessing they’re not referring to cc#7...?

(Also, I’ve never encountered a 9-pin MIDI connector. 5-pin maybe?)

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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post #36

It is refreshing to see these types of articles. Of all disciplines of human interests and hobbies, Audiophiles are one of the most stubborn, misinformed, anecdotal and delusional bunch. Of course I am generalizing, but every time I engage in a discussion about audio quality, it is a losing battle. Not because of lack of data or supporting evidence, but because of the fundamental dissent for data driven arguments. Yo…

Your generalisation is unfair. Most Audiophiles just want to listen to music the way the artists intended. This is not easy in a industry where colouring the sound is even celebrated, e.g. 'Beats by Dre'. I recently tried the latest noise cancelling headphones by Sony (1000XM3). The noise cancelling was excellent, but the bass was +5db overblown, boomy and drowned out most of the mids, the treble was dark to hide the…

Yes the noise surrounding headphones is incredible (pun not intended), even stranger I find the denigration of 'studio monitor' quality very odd. Recently I bought a nice pair of headphones, naturally enough I wanted the ones that colour the music the least, went looking in the headphone section at the nearest consumer electronic shop for the ones that were on their web site and couldn't find them. There were stands of beats, and Sony etc at crazy prices. I asked the guy where they were and they were poked away in the corner in a different section. I laughed - the best headphones that were cheap were hidden away and all the overpriced plastic nonsense were displayed prominently.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of this is cultural driven by a historical time when we didn't have the tools to measure this stuff, and reproduction was so bad that nearly anything that changed the sound in any way could be argued to be an improvement. Those days are long gone, but the culture remains. Getting good sound out of an old victrola--which were very expensive--truly is an art. Getting passable sound out of today's average off-the-s…

> Much of this is cultural driven by a historical time when we didn't have the tools to measure this stuff, and reproduction was so bad that nearly anything that changed the sound in any way could be argued to be an improvement. [citation needed] State of the art distortion measuring techniques resolved something like 0.002 % in the 70s.

Which is quite a bit later than the timeframe the parent is referring to.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one of the most stubborn, misinformed, anecdotal and delusional bunch I've had professional recording artists tell me they won't use MIDI over USB because the volume is lower than the old 9-pin connectors.

Wait, what? The “volume” of MIDI? I’m guessing they’re not referring to cc#7...? (Also, I’ve never encountered a 9-pin MIDI connector. 5-pin maybe?)

I usually see midi as a 5-pin DIN, but some sound-cards used a DB-9 which required an adapter.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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It's bizarre how none of these chips seem to have a digital input. All my music is digital, and despite the modern rise of vinyl, I don't think that's unusual. If I want an amplifier like this then I'm forced to have a completely useless DAC/ADC pair degrading the signal quality. Does anybody know of an easily available class-D amplifier with digital input? You'd think that would be an obvious feature for a digital a…

It's not a digital amplifier. A class-D amplifier is basically somewhat like a switched-mode power supply that varies its output voltage in response to swings in the input signal.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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The majority of all active speakers produced nowadays are Class-D, it's nothing really new (and the fact they are super cheap). No idea how this guy wrote this article and didn't come across DIY Audio (or he just didn't mention it in the article). There is a tonne of information here: https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/class-d/

If your listening needs don't involve more than 10-20 watts, inexpensive Class-D amps can sound really good through a pair of good speakers . And because of their efficiency, an external power supply only needs a handful of amps (much lighter). Win-win for me.

TPA3255 can do 75 Watts per channel at 0.003%THD+N, which is pretty damn good IMO.

3e Audio has a nice board using that as well.

Re: Build Your Own Professional-Grade Audio Amp on the Sort-Of Cheap

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one of the most stubborn, misinformed, anecdotal and delusional bunch I've had professional recording artists tell me they won't use MIDI over USB because the volume is lower than the old 9-pin connectors.

Wait, what? The “volume” of MIDI? I’m guessing they’re not referring to cc#7...? (Also, I’ve never encountered a 9-pin MIDI connector. 5-pin maybe?)

Must be the 5-pin. Been a while since I've used one of the old MIDI connections.
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