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Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by golergka » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:37 PM UTC

mattlondon wrote: post #10

In the article they say they are offering London salaries. Fine. But Cardiff is not the same as London ! London is huge comapred to Cardiff. Cardiff has about 500,000 people in its urban area compared to 10,000,000 in London, and Cardiff is about 30 square miles compared to almost 700 square miles for London [1]. As such London just has a lot more going on - theatre, museums, nightlife, restaurants, sports, shopping,…

Judging from the Wikipedia, Cardiff metro area has about the same population as Tel Aviv, which still manages to host one of the world's hottest start up scenes.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by maaark » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:42 PM UTC

mhd wrote: post #3

Their career page says 60k, though. If it weren't out of area of expertise, Wales is quite beautiful. And I almost understand Rhod Gilbert.

I wouldn't be able to stop myself from saying "way-als" in a mocking accent. Just like how I can't stop myself saying "moo-ney" when I hear it from a Dubliner.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by dagw » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:42 PM UTC

golergka wrote: post #21

mattlondon wrote: post #10

In the article they say they are offering London salaries. Fine. But Cardiff is not the same as London ! London is huge comapred to Cardiff. Cardiff has about 500,000 people in its urban area compared to 10,000,000 in London, and Cardiff is about 30 square miles compared to almost 700 square miles for London [1]. As such London just has a lot more going on - theatre, museums, nightlife, restaurants, sports, shopping,…

Judging from the Wikipedia, Cardiff metro area has about the same population as Tel Aviv, which still manages to host one of the world's hottest start up scenes.

It's not a matter of population. Tel Aviv is probably the most interesting and happening city in that whole great region, while Cardiff isn't.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by new_here » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:43 PM UTC

calyth2018 wrote: post #20

mattlondon wrote: post #10

In the article they say they are offering London salaries. Fine. But Cardiff is not the same as London ! London is huge comapred to Cardiff. Cardiff has about 500,000 people in its urban area compared to 10,000,000 in London, and Cardiff is about 30 square miles compared to almost 700 square miles for London [1]. As such London just has a lot more going on - theatre, museums, nightlife, restaurants, sports, shopping,…

Or this is the same kind on insanity that you see with the Bay Area? Or hell, even Vancouver. Everyone's rushing there for the same reason, with all the cultural things that's suppose to be going on in the big city, only to find that the high CoL make life actually quite a bit more difficult to enjoy. It gentrifies the area quickly, the commute is either long (in the case of the bay area) or being one of the sardine…

100%. London has become a tragedy of the commons.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by pjc50 » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:45 PM UTC

mattlondon wrote: post #10

In the article they say they are offering London salaries. Fine. But Cardiff is not the same as London ! London is huge comapred to Cardiff. Cardiff has about 500,000 people in its urban area compared to 10,000,000 in London, and Cardiff is about 30 square miles compared to almost 700 square miles for London [1]. As such London just has a lot more going on - theatre, museums, nightlife, restaurants, sports, shopping,…

I'd seriously consider it, and I think a lot of other people would as well. People who are a bit older, a bit less sociable, or have families? Absolutely. Alternatively, new graduates who've not settled anywhere yet but would really like some money thrown at their overdraft.

> most people in these salary ranges aren't that badly impacted by high property prices in London

Everybody is impacted by high property prices in London, except the tax exiles with the empty mansions. I moved from Cambridge to Edinburgh and benefited greatly from the lower property prices.

However, as others point out, this seems to be fraudulent advertising: all the advertised positions are £60k. Where's the £100k coming from? Did they only have one post at that range which is now filled?

There does seem to be a sudden hiring boom going on in the UK, which I'm curious about - applicants are hard to find and advertised salaries are up. Alternatively is this the consequence of Brexit-induced skilled staff supply shortages?

(Pet peeve: it should be mandatory for job adverts to post a salary range, even if it's a really wide one)

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by guitarbill » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:46 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #23

golergka wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging from the Wikipedia, Cardiff metro area has about the same population as Tel Aviv, which still manages to host one of the world's hottest start up scenes.

It's not a matter of population. Tel Aviv is probably the most interesting and happening city in that whole great region, while Cardiff isn't.

Not to mention e.g. transport links, and Brexit.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by celticninja » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:48 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #23

golergka wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging from the Wikipedia, Cardiff metro area has about the same population as Tel Aviv, which still manages to host one of the world's hottest start up scenes.

It's not a matter of population. Tel Aviv is probably the most interesting and happening city in that whole great region, while Cardiff isn't.

Although your chances of dying in Cardiff are probably less than in Tel Aviv.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by HarryHirsch » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:49 PM UTC

If you are laid off in London your next job will be in London and you don't have to move house. If you are laid off in Cardiff the next job is in Bristol, Birmingham or Milton Keynes. Property prices don't figure into the equation so much because no one is going to buy in a town where the tech scene is small.

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by edem » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:49 PM UTC

Maybe you should allow remote work?

Re: Cardiff tech firm: 'We'll pay £100k, but can't get staff'

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Post by dvdcxn » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

mattlondon wrote: post #10

In the article they say they are offering London salaries. Fine. But Cardiff is not the same as London ! London is huge comapred to Cardiff. Cardiff has about 500,000 people in its urban area compared to 10,000,000 in London, and Cardiff is about 30 square miles compared to almost 700 square miles for London [1]. As such London just has a lot more going on - theatre, museums, nightlife, restaurants, sports, shopping,…

You're projecting your own perception onto others.

Let me raise a counterpoint, the cost of living in Cardiff is vastly less than the, frankly, over inflated prices in London.

I'm going to reuse your tone here - who would give up Cardiff to go to London to get the same Salary but pay twice as much for rent?

I'd raise another point as well - you're assuming people prefer the art and culture scene in London in comparison to a more local scene in a smaller city where gentrification isn't as ubiquitious. I'd rather live in Glasgow, where anyone can afford to go to a club or gig than London, where such activities are generally reserved for rich kids.