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Re: OpenOffice.org Council members resign

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Am I alone in thinking that the right solution to the OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice mess (by which I mean the software itself) is to start all over again?

Joel disagrees: rewriting stuff from scratch is often a very bad idea http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

The key word is "often". OpenOffice needs it's own "Firefox moment".

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Some of the people already joined LibreOffice as far as I understand, so it means that OOo is basically dead. LibreOffice can be thought of as a natural continuation if they do the development (so far it's been only an organisation, without code releases, but those should come soon).

OO will serve as a test bed for Oracle Office but it will not be innovative and free, OO will just be free. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Office

This is the plan, yes. But it depends on how many devs quit. It enough people shift to LibreOffice, that plan might fail and OO will be either scrapped, or only available to paying customers.

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If you're talking kids and toys : Oracle is the new kid who is sitting in the corner writing his name in marker all over 'his toys'. The Libre kids just want to share toys, and think the new kid is a bully. Maybe one day they'll all play together. But it'll probably take the new kid realizing that the kids that share each get to play with shiny new toys.

Forking the code is absolutely fine. Wanting the name too to pretend that the shareholders who underwrote all this development aren't part of it is just plain rude.

Do you think the Oracle shareholders really care much one way or the other about the OpenOffice name?

I think if anything, the more profit-minded amongst them would simply be happy to cut loose a project that is probably not bringing in any direct revenues.

The argument for keeping it might be to develop it as "Project Stick It To Microsoft", and attempt to undercut the office revenues. Even that, though, doesn't really gain anything for Oracle in the short term.

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Forking the code is absolutely fine. Wanting the name too to pretend that the shareholders who underwrote all this development aren't part of it is just plain rude.

Do you think the Oracle shareholders really care much one way or the other about the OpenOffice name? I think if anything, the more profit-minded amongst them would simply be happy to cut loose a project that is probably not bringing in any direct revenues. The argument for keeping it might be to develop it as "Project Stick It To Microsoft", and attempt to undercut the office revenues. Even that, though, doesn't rea…

Yes. It is an asset that Sun paid cash money for, and Oracle paid cash money for in turn. So of course they care.

My personal opinion is that eventually we'll see OO Calc getting the same integration with Oracle that Excel has with MSAS/SQL Server, and possibly OO Writer will form the core of a report writing engine.

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Can anyone give some background on this? I just switched from Windows to Ubuntu, and have just started to familiarize myself with OpenOffice.

If you're worried about misplaced time investment, I'd recommend Abiword and Gnumeric for your Word and Excel replacements; they're blazing fast and Gnumeric supports a lot more than either Excel or OO's offering.

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Can anyone give some background on this? I just switched from Windows to Ubuntu, and have just started to familiarize myself with OpenOffice.

The high level summary is that once Oracle acquired Sun some folks became concerned about Oracle since even though OpenOffice was open sourced Sun and now Oracle still own the trademark on "openoffice.org". Right now the two project are probably pretty close in functionality and the file formats are standardized. In the future functionality of the project will likely diverge somewhat but probably not a lot. http://ne…

Thanks. That's pretty much my interest. I'm not really concerned about the politics of it. :)

Re: OpenOffice.org Council members resign

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Does anyone know what this means to the future of the project?

Some of the people already joined LibreOffice as far as I understand, so it means that OOo is basically dead. LibreOffice can be thought of as a natural continuation if they do the development (so far it's been only an organisation, without code releases, but those should come soon).

Is there any reason to think that LibreOffice, now without any support from Sun/Oracle, is going to cross the threshold of "professional usability" that OpenOffice is just too buggy to reach?

Re: OpenOffice.org Council members resign

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Am I alone in thinking that the right solution to the OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice mess (by which I mean the software itself) is to start all over again?

Joel disagrees: rewriting stuff from scratch is often a very bad idea http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

Fortunately, Joel is not the first or last word on any subject.

Re: OpenOffice.org Council members resign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the people already joined LibreOffice as far as I understand, so it means that OOo is basically dead. LibreOffice can be thought of as a natural continuation if they do the development (so far it's been only an organisation, without code releases, but those should come soon).

Is there any reason to think that LibreOffice, now without any support from Sun/Oracle, is going to cross the threshold of "professional usability" that OpenOffice is just too buggy to reach?

The reason is Canonical's, Redhat's and Novel's support at least. They should be able to solve it even between only 3 of them... Whether they will be able to, is another question. We'll have to wait and see.

Especially since Canonical wants to make it the default suite and they're going for userfriendly image these days.

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