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Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by user5994461 »

smeyer wrote: post #561
user5994461 wrote: post #358

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It's still part of the Expedia portfolio. There are a few brands whose stocks are listed separately.

What percentage of TripAdvisor does Expedia still own? The stock looks to be mostly held by various mutual funds although I didn't look very closely and may be missing something.

That's just accounting. Doesn't matter. Businesses are not run independently, they share some employees and services.

When you join the company, they will explain you the portfolio of brands and how they link together. A user might leave a site and spend money somewhere else, but it's alright as long as it stays in the family.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by Spooky23 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #530
Spooky23 wrote: post #399

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IMO talk radio is far worse than Facebook. It’s just a constant stream of vitriol and nastiness with no end.

What stations / networks / personalities, specifically?

Pretty much anything AM.

The one my in-laws have on all day is Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Levin. It's a constant stream of angry/crazy white guy. Even the late night isn't a refuge. Whatever the show is that used to be Art Bell is quasi-political now.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by ajkjk »

jamwhite wrote: post #457
ajkjk wrote: post #263

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I hear you. Really all I want is a solid app that's only Facebook's event system and friend lists and nothing else. But I can't see any growth-motivated company ever making that and just stopping there. I'd even pay for it, if I thought they wouldn't try to make more money after that. Maybe it would have to be a non-profit.

Long time lingerer here. My co-founder and I are building a groups and events system (like Meetup) that has a friends list and things like instant messaging. Our business model at the moment is freemium with ads and a limited organizer experience (you can create small groups/events) or we are offering a small subscription ~$5/mo. The subscription model removes the ads, unlocks all organizer features, and removes all…

Sounds great.

My main concern is that if you're in startup-crazy VC-funded world, you're eventually going to try to make more money, somehow, off my presence on your site -- through selling data or advertising or whatever.

If I do join it, I'll immediately leave when that happens. But if I think it might happen, I won't join it. The thing that would get me really interested would be a promise (ideally a legally restrictive one, like being a B-corp or a non-profit) that that won't happen.

I think that everyone (at least in my age group?) is slowly becoming enormously skeptical of companies offering services. I _want_ to use a service forever and have it be good and trustworthy. But in practice I feel like I'm getting tricked and manipulated at every turn, which is just slowly turning me into a luddite.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by ajkjk »

mikestaub wrote: post #476
ajkjk wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you. Really all I want is a solid app that's only Facebook's event system and friend lists and nothing else. But I can't see any growth-motivated company ever making that and just stopping there. I'd even pay for it, if I thought they wouldn't try to make more money after that. Maybe it would have to be a non-profit.

I'm working on exactly this, stay tuned for the beta. peapods.com

Sounds neat. Any chance you could put something on your site about your, like, philosophy?

Facebook and similar make me wary of getting excited about anything which seems superficially good without first understanding the underlying intentions of the creators.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by bliblah »

jwally wrote: post #298

Note I wrote my father in law when he had gone too far down the rabbit hole and legitimately worried about the poison it spreads around his demographic: I left Facebook when I read some press release about it being designed from the outset to make you feel bad because it keeps you engaged; hoping someone agrees with something you liked or shared and the dopamine hit it releases. I don’t like feeling manipulated and m…

This is basically how I felt back in 2014 after I pretty much stopped using all social media.

I have my facebook only to announce big events and let immigration officers know that I love my wife very much by having a detailed photo album of all our interactions over many years.

It's incredibly annoying that at this juncture I have to keep it because of what other people / entities want rather than myself. This is why I refuse to use LinkdIn instead of job boards or the career sites for the company.

The aggressive commercialization of Social Media has been the greatest failure to be borne out of the internet and our society will be suffering its effects for many years. At least the stockholders (who are probably too darn old to use the site) are very happy.

Edit: I also very much appreciate the irony of spending so much time and energy on posting on Hacker News!

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by dredmorbius »

Spooky23 wrote: post #572
dredmorbius wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What stations / networks / personalities, specifically?

Pretty much anything AM. The one my in-laws have on all day is Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Levin. It's a constant stream of angry/crazy white guy. Even the late night isn't a refuge. Whatever the show is that used to be Art Bell is quasi-political now.

Thanks. About what I'd expected, though it's handy to put some names on it.

I've ... accidentally ... tuned in to Hannity on occasion. I thought I'd tuned in to the local lunatic asylum.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by smeyer »

user5994461 wrote: post #571
smeyer wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of TripAdvisor does Expedia still own? The stock looks to be mostly held by various mutual funds although I didn't look very closely and may be missing something.

That's just accounting. Doesn't matter. Businesses are not run independently, they share some employees and services. When you join the company, they will explain you the portfolio of brands and how they link together. A user might leave a site and spend money somewhere else, but it's alright as long as it stays in the family.

They're independently owned. You could argue that it was just accounting if the two businesses had the same or similar ownership while being two separate entities, but they're two different publicly traded companies with substantially different ownership. They also don't share a single board member. Can you provide some sort of substantive indication that they're operating together (today, as compared to prior to the TripAdvisor spinoff)?

For context, here's where you can see the substantial differences in ownership: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TRIP/holders/ vs https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/EXPE/holders/ .

And here's where you can see that they share no board members: http://ir.tripadvisor.com/corporate-governance/board-of-dire... vs https://www.expediagroup.com/about/leadership/ .

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by tomjen3 »

duxup wrote: post #320
jwally wrote: post #298

Note I wrote my father in law when he had gone too far down the rabbit hole and legitimately worried about the poison it spreads around his demographic: I left Facebook when I read some press release about it being designed from the outset to make you feel bad because it keeps you engaged; hoping someone agrees with something you liked or shared and the dopamine hit it releases. I don’t like feeling manipulated and m…

I don't even know what Twitter is for except mutual high fives over the most superficial "look at me" memeish stuff. It's worse than facebook as far as the "get attention" vibe. Granted all social media is about getting attention, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it necessarily. Attention is nice, there is good reason for it, but when the message is so tailored to just that and there isn't anything else…

I don't think Twitter was made for something, other than to broadcast sms, which it can't even be used for since they doubled their limit.

I will tell you what I use it for: follow interesting people, and pictures of cute animals. My goto rule of thumb for the first is, are they saying something where you go "hu?" in a positive way?

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Post by da02 »

erikb wrote: post #544
samfisher83 wrote: post #52

They are just going from FB to Instagram: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/22/teens-abandoning-facebook-st... FB can shift its model to becoming like priceline. Just try to buy up all the social networks. For example most travel site you probably use are owned by priceline. The same way Facebook could maybe buy up other social networks.

Not just them. Almost everybody does that. Just a few weeks ago saw a documentary that explained that the same happens in dating apps/websites, for instance. It's also logical. I mean, what can you do when you are the market leader already.

What was the name of the documentary?

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by incompatible »

jwally wrote: post #298

Note I wrote my father in law when he had gone too far down the rabbit hole and legitimately worried about the poison it spreads around his demographic: I left Facebook when I read some press release about it being designed from the outset to make you feel bad because it keeps you engaged; hoping someone agrees with something you liked or shared and the dopamine hit it releases. I don’t like feeling manipulated and m…

It sounds like he is infected with something very similar to a religion. Religious ideas are very hard to change. For every rational argument, there's a doctrine-based reply.
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