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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by snazz » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:58 PM UTC

SllX wrote: post #384

theshrike79 wrote: post #232

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MacBooks _will_ transition to Apple's own chips at some point. My guess is that the A14 or A15 generation will be fast and powerful enough to make the leap. This will be big especially if they can get major price or power usage advantages.

Arguably they are already powerful enough to make the leap in at least some cases, that said Apple does not push Macs in the same quantities as iOS devices as to justify wholly new silicon for the line. I have been in an argument with a friend for the past year or so about precisely when (or if) Apple will rip Intel out and use their own silicon. I think they will, but I'm going to try to present his argument to the…

Very well put. It seems to me that desktop performance has stagnated for the most part while mobile performance continues to make leaps and bounds, so people think they need to upgrade their phones and tablets much more often just like the early days of the PC. A 2008 MacBook is going to be a lot more useful than a 2008 iPhone in 2018.

Apple certainly markets their iPads as a competitor to the MacBook, so maybe they’re not looking to use custom silicon in the Macs but simply to phase out desktop computers when iOS and third party applications are ready to replace PCs for the most part.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by plussed_reader » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:58 PM UTC

hobls wrote: post #368

reacharavindh wrote: post #32

I wish they made an iPhone SE as a miniature form of this iPad. square-ish edges (easier to hold), better & larger LCD displays within the same body size, and powerful internals. The new iphones are just too big for one-handed use. you want to type the name of the website on top bar of mobile Safari - bring the next hand out or drop your phone....

> bring the next hand out or drop your phone.... This is not a great solution, but in "Accessibility Options" you can enable the gesture to swipe down on the bottom to bring the top of the screen down to the middle so you can reach it one handed. It's clunky but helpful. It's the functionality that used to be on a double tap of the home button or something, and I thought it was removed, but it was just turned off by…

The double tap has brought up the app switcher since iOS7. Maybe you're thinking of something else?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by hoistbypetard » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:59 PM UTC

reacharavindh wrote: post #139

Do you all use iPad for serious work? Curious what apps you use? Other than Apple Notes(with Apple Pencil), and watching NetFlix, I dont make good use of it. I'd love to get some recommendation for useful apps to try...

I really like OmniGraffle. It's got a free trial, but the trial is short enough that I'd wait to start it until you can spend a little time kicking the tires.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by kllrnohj » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:59 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #229

tyingq wrote: post #41

"The new Liquid Retina display goes from edge to edge" I've never owned an iPad, perhaps I'm missing something here. How does the above statement reconcile with the pictures I see on the page where there's clearly a black bezel? Do they just mean there's not an area at the bottom with a physical button?

Bezels are smaller, and consistent all the way around, with no ‘chin’ or ‘forehead’ bars.

But they aren't even small bezels. There are still rather large bezels all around the "edge to edge" screen.

This is just a blatant lie by Apple's marketing.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pfranz » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:00 PM UTC

JosephRedfern wrote: post #45

The fixed-width bezel makes it look great. I like it. I don't know why the pencil didn't come with magnetic attachment from the get go, it seems like such a simple change that makes a big difference. The cynic in me thinks that it was deliberately withheld in v1 so that a big deal about its addition could be made in v2.

Back then Apple didn't have much experience with wireless charging. They also didn't have any place to "dock" the pencil to the iPad, even though other companies were using magnets. So that seemed like an explicit decision at the time to me.

I saw a video where artists were demoing the iPad Pro Photoshop. Most of them had experience with the Wacom stylus and criticized that the Apple Pencil was too slim and cramped their hand. The obvious solution would be to add a rubber grip--which wouldn't really work with this storage/charging solution.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by coldtea » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:00 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #81

tyingq wrote: post #41

"The new Liquid Retina display goes from edge to edge" I've never owned an iPad, perhaps I'm missing something here. How does the above statement reconcile with the pictures I see on the page where there's clearly a black bezel? Do they just mean there's not an area at the bottom with a physical button?

Yeah, no ugly "chin". Problem is, the iPhone X family got rid of the chin... but have the dreaded notch, and not even the mostly acceptable teardrop everyone else standardized on. At least the iPad Pro adopted chinless and also notchless design. First time in years Apple has made a product that isn't weirdly ugly.

>Problem is, the iPhone X family got rid of the chin... but have the dreaded notch, and not even the mostly acceptable teardrop everyone else standardized on.

You mean "copied with a tiny alteration".

>At least the iPad Pro adopted chinless and also notchless design. First time in years Apple has made a product that isn't weirdly ugly.

You probably didn't get the memo, but the "oh my god, it has a notch, oh noes, so ugly" thing some pundits tried to pull died in its birth, and not only competitors copied the notch, but the X itself became the best selling phone.

Even ignoring that, everybody pretty much praised the Apple Watch 4 as beautiful as well...

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by dpark » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:00 PM UTC

xbkingx wrote: post #410

dpark wrote: post #253

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> Which is to me another one of those ingenious but now obvious design choices ... I wish that Microsoft had thought of this for the surface pen. I'm kind of glad they didn't. A pen magnetically attached will likely pop off when you put the tablet in your bag. It's a nice place to dock the pen when you're using the tablet, but poor place to store it in a bag. People report up to a year of life with the Surface Pen ba…

Yup. I've used tablet PCs since the Windows XP Tablet Edition days and magnetic pen docks have always been a big no-no. The pens fall off more when handling because you bump into them when repositioning and they're easier to forget or 'lose' because the docking area generally becomes the one place you don't put it. In short, it might be counter-intuitive, but you need to be slightly more engaged with the stylus's mai…

"Hidey hole" means you have a bunch of wasted space in your device and encourages them to make the pen tiny, though. I much prefer the independent (and full sized) stylus. I rarely use the magnetic docking, though.

I fully agree about the pen falling off when bumped. I can't imaging Apple solved that since it seems like a fundamental side effect of the design.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by godzillabrennus » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:01 PM UTC

jm20 wrote: post #314

sarreph wrote: post #242

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Maybe you didn't get the memo, but it's actually an early release of the 'new' way scroll. Scrolling 1.0 = normal scrolling Scrolling 2.0 = left/right up/down directions are inverted respectively Scrolling 3.0 = left/right scrolling only, via up/down gestures (use left/right gestures at your peril)

Don't forget, Scrolling 3.0 is only available on this year's New ScrollBar(tm)

It’s only available in rose gold.

It can be yours for the bargain price of $1999.95 USD.

Don’t be the last person in your herd of Apple users to pay money to add scrolling functionality back to your MacOS and iOS devices.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:01 PM UTC

plussed_reader wrote: post #412

hobls wrote: post #368

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> bring the next hand out or drop your phone.... This is not a great solution, but in "Accessibility Options" you can enable the gesture to swipe down on the bottom to bring the top of the screen down to the middle so you can reach it one handed. It's clunky but helpful. It's the functionality that used to be on a double tap of the home button or something, and I thought it was removed, but it was just turned off by…

The double tap has brought up the app switcher since iOS7. Maybe you're thinking of something else?

That's double press - double tap on my 6s still brings the screen down. Not sure if they kept that distinction when they moved to the not-really-a-button home button whenever that was though.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by freehunter » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:02 PM UTC

GiorgioG wrote: post #130

eropple wrote: post #49

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To be frank? An Apple logo. Third-party stuff isn't sufficiently sticky. If Apple wants games on their platform, they need their own controller. It might even be best if it comes in the box. I don't, however, think they really care that much.

I don't buy that the logo alone would do it. It would have to come bundled with a controller by default and all games would have to work with said controller.

Games compatibility is key. I had an Android phone I used years back with a PS3 controller and an external display to play Modern Combat 3 and it worked great as a game console... except every now and again the game forced you to swipe the screen to perform some quicktime action. Really unexpected when you're sitting 5 feet from the screen.