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Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

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Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#151
I got as far as "WWF" and stopped reading.

The WWF has been doomsaying for decades, because that's its business model.

It is an organisation specifically designed to raise funds from the general public in order to promote green causes. It does this by creating scares like this. The WWF is as much "big business" as any energy company.

I don't trust "science" funded by it, because there's not a chance in hell that it would publish any studies that disagreed with its agenda.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#152

Human Population has more than doubled in the same timespan (from 3.7 billion to 7.7 billion today). This is not sustainable. We only have one small planet to live on, and we are destroying it. We are overfishing the oceans, cutting down entire forests to make way for pastures, warming up the planet and acidifying the plastic-filled ocean. Even insect populations are plummeting. The consequences of this will not be f…

I'm afraid the problem will fix itself soon enough. WW3 could be around the corner according to the people behind the Doomsday Clock. Climate change will cause famine, natural disasters and mass migrations. Poverty, overpriced health care and a lack of common social structure (every man for himself) will lower the life expectancy again after decades of increase.

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Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#153
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War is good for business - 34th Rule of Acquisition (Ferengi, Star Trek)

Well, war is good for the war racket, but generally not good for trade in the vast majority of other goods.

You're thinking of the 35th Rule of Acquisition - Peace is good for business.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#154

Human Population has more than doubled in the same timespan (from 3.7 billion to 7.7 billion today). This is not sustainable. We only have one small planet to live on, and we are destroying it. We are overfishing the oceans, cutting down entire forests to make way for pastures, warming up the planet and acidifying the plastic-filled ocean. Even insect populations are plummeting. The consequences of this will not be f…

Human behavior is vastly more impactful on the planet than human numerosity. We are not feeling the consequences of simply people - it is our gross behavior. impact = people * behavior To make people reduction the target in this situation would be systematically misanthropic. Behavior can improve by orders of magnitude and even reverse polarity amicably and rapidly, through culture, inspiration, technological potenti…

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Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#155

Human Population has more than doubled in the same timespan (from 3.7 billion to 7.7 billion today). This is not sustainable. We only have one small planet to live on, and we are destroying it. We are overfishing the oceans, cutting down entire forests to make way for pastures, warming up the planet and acidifying the plastic-filled ocean. Even insect populations are plummeting. The consequences of this will not be f…

I'm afraid the incentives are not there - and we won't do any of those things - but at some point the system will bounce back, and hopefully it will self-regulate, rather than spiraling out of control. You can already see it happening, the hurricanes are getting worse and more frequent in USA, Italy and parts of Europe are hit by floods; An occasional reactor melts down. I'd say just enjoy the next decade as much as possible, who knows, maybe it won't last even that long.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#156

Human Population has more than doubled in the same timespan (from 3.7 billion to 7.7 billion today). This is not sustainable. We only have one small planet to live on, and we are destroying it. We are overfishing the oceans, cutting down entire forests to make way for pastures, warming up the planet and acidifying the plastic-filled ocean. Even insect populations are plummeting. The consequences of this will not be f…

The argument really comes down to whether to curtail the liberty and veneration of independence that defines this century.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation Carrying capacity is estimated at 7.7 billion. And I have seen that Hans Roslings predictions have been revised upwards. Doesn't look good either way.

carrying capacity keeps getting revised upward also.

Sure, but what's the end goal? That we all end up like caged chickens? We could probably cram in lots of people that way.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

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Basically stop eating beef and using internal-combustion cars, and the situation is vastly improved. Not impossible. A bunch of tax law changes would do it. And that's a lot more passable than killing a bunch of people.

> Basically stop eating beef and using internal-combustion cars, and the situation is vastly improved. Not impossible. For one, beef's not that much of a problem: https://theconversation.com/yes-eating-meat-affects-the-envi... But second, all kinds of systems we have have been premised on economic growth year after year. When we hit some harder limits, we'll hit them hard.

Many sources would beg to differ about meat not being a problem.

https://youtu.be/NxvQPzrg2Wg

(Sources: https://sites.google.com/view/kgssourcesmeat/startseite)

So even if FAO got it wrong, I just don't see beef not being a problem.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#159

Human Population has more than doubled in the same timespan (from 3.7 billion to 7.7 billion today). This is not sustainable. We only have one small planet to live on, and we are destroying it. We are overfishing the oceans, cutting down entire forests to make way for pastures, warming up the planet and acidifying the plastic-filled ocean. Even insect populations are plummeting. The consequences of this will not be f…

>to consider support for candidates that at least acknowledge that there is a problem

There are none. Every candidate for every major party in almost all western nations is openly pro-growth. Saying "we'll tax CO2 emissions while importing millions of people and destroying ever more of the little remaining natural ecosystems on the planet" is not acknowledging the problem: overpopulation.

>Consider a carbon tax.

That won't do anything. CO2 is not the problem, too many people is.

>Consider sexual education efforts in developing nations

That is at least addressing the issue, but it also gets you labelled an evil racist nazi klansman. Unfortunately it also hasn't proven effective. The governments of those countries need to be directly involved like China's one child policy.

>There's a ton of things we can do, but we have to start doing

We're still doing in the wrong direction. The population of Africa has increased by 1000% in the last century, and we're still actively trying to make that continue, while pretending we can simply import a tiny fraction of those people into Europe and North America as if that will solve anything.

Re: Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970, major report finds

#160
Some bright spots:

Solar & wind are getting cheaper & more common

AR & VR will hopefully decrease travel

Lots of research going on in creating beef in labs instead of fields to reduce the over abundance of cattle

Medical Marijuana is becoming legal in just about every state in the USA. One nice side effect I'm hoping for is that it's price & method of growing will help improve technology & lower costs for growing plants indoors.

Several prototypes are being tested to do more precise fertilization of land & use either small robots, lasers or other methods to control weeds & specific pests on crops. Reducing fertilizer waste into waters & getting rid of pesticides is a huge win.

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