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Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but could someone explain the rationale for taxing gifts within a family? Ignoring the possibility of using it to circumvent an income tax, etc., my initial thought is that if my dad wants to give me $30,001 this year, or even $300,000 this year, that he's already paid taxes on it and it's not the government's business. I feel the same way about inheritance taxes, although those are high enough I'm not too concerned about it.

I hope this doesn't start any arguments, but that's just my take on it and I'm open to hearing why it's a bad idea.

Edit: I appreciate the responses, they've cleared up some misconceptions I had and moved my viewpoint a bit.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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> That’s a $22.4 million of unearned income for the children of the rich, whereas the working class get taxed on their first dollar earned. A person could at least argue that my parents earned the capital they live off of. But me? I didn’t actually earn it.

Nitpick, but this is not quite true. There is the Earned Income Credit, as well as various welfare payments that working class are entitled to.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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> That’s a $22.4 million of unearned income for the children of the rich, whereas the working class get taxed on their first dollar earned. A person could at least argue that my parents earned the capital they live off of. But me? I didn’t actually earn it.

how are working class taxed on first dollar earned? most dont pay any federal income tax.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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The value of this gift is much greater than then nominal sum.

My parents gave me $3000 for the down-payment on my first house, which cost $100k. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to afford to buy a house. But I bought instead of renting and ended up selling it for $200k years later. That was a big financial win early on and meant I was never in debt again.

My financial situation at the time was barely-making-ends-meet, so I had to sell the house to recover the equity to buy a car and move across the country when I was transferred.

Had my parents given me $30k as a one-time gift, I wouldn't have had to sell that house at all and would have rented it out in perpetuity. That would have been about $1000k a month of income for me, in addition to keeping the equity in the house.

I've resisted spending money on a lot of things like, say, home renovations, new cars, etc. until I felt like I was paying for it solely from interest earned on investments or the purchase was an absolute necessity. The only reason I was able to start investing at a young age, on a very small income, was the sale of that house. Those savings have compounded, but more importantly I've always had enough cash to cover incidental expenses and that's enabled me to continue investing.

Even small gifts can lift you out of a cycle of poverty. $3000 at the right time made a dramatic difference in my financial situation and will for the rest of my life. But $30k at the right time would ultimately have been worth about an extra $500k to me twenty years later.

$30k a year like in the article would have just ensured I was as rich as my parents. That would have all gone to investments.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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post #21

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but could someone explain the rationale for taxing gifts within a family? Ignoring the possibility of using it to circumvent an income tax, etc., my initial thought is that if my dad wants to give me $30,001 this year, or even $300,000 this year, that he's already paid taxes on it and it's not the government's business. I feel the same way about inheritance taxes, although tho…

A common misconception is that gifts within a family are taxed. They are, but only after one exceeds the lifetime limit. That limit is around $11M (per parent). It is true that if you exceed a certain amount per year you have to fill out a form, but that is not to be confused with paying actual tax on the excess gift. It's good that you feel the same about the inheritance tax because it's the same tax code that govern each.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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post #21

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but could someone explain the rationale for taxing gifts within a family? Ignoring the possibility of using it to circumvent an income tax, etc., my initial thought is that if my dad wants to give me $30,001 this year, or even $300,000 this year, that he's already paid taxes on it and it's not the government's business. I feel the same way about inheritance taxes, although tho…

At low levels, which aren't taxed, it's not going to affect anything.

At high levels, like giving your kid ten billion dollars, you're making it impractical or impossible for others to advance economically. You're creating a class of people with indestructible inherited wealth that never have to work, that only have to collect interest and rent on the backs of everyone else.

That's what inheritance tax and gift taxes seek to disrupt.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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A refrain that is very true in NYC.

It is a bit off-putting (and just wrong) to read the author talk about white male privilege being a comparable head start to her half a million dollars of family money she’s received. (And 28,000/yr still coming!) For an essay centered on owning up to personal privilege it still has some serious short comings in recognizing how extreme her wealth privilege is versus almost all intrinsic characteristic in society privileges.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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post #21

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but could someone explain the rationale for taxing gifts within a family? Ignoring the possibility of using it to circumvent an income tax, etc., my initial thought is that if my dad wants to give me $30,001 this year, or even $300,000 this year, that he's already paid taxes on it and it's not the government's business. I feel the same way about inheritance taxes, although tho…

Disclaimer: I'm not a tax advisor or anything, just a humble payer.

The notion of "the family" is not a thing unless you're talking about dependents. Transferring money from one person to another is income for the person receiving the money. It's not being taxed twice, just once per time "earned". (and it's not even taxed until the limit per the comment in this thread! TIL)

To allow for these kinds of gifts they limit the amount that is tax free. Allowing unlimited gifts to "family" would likely result in all businesses being "family" businesses, etc etc. Lots of downstream ramifications.

So this seems to answer "how do I help my kids a reasonable amount without being taxed without creating a giant dodge"

Giant dodges are best done using LLCs and ownership by other family members. Typically this overhead costs a lot more to manage though, so it's only available to the super wealthy.

I kid here, a bit. But it's clearly also something being done quite often.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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My guess is this is of interest to us because it sounds an awful lot like UBI. But, I think the key difference is that the money is connected to parents, who presumably have a standard for how it's spent. If E.J. ended up spending it on drugs or other perceived vices, there's a chance the money might be cut off. The point of UBI is that it is 100% no-strings-attached, which has a different dynamic. That dynamic is on…

People treat drug users as if this was something that they chose to do. In fact, most drug addicts are in this situation because they suffer from a tendency to drug abuse. Many of them had good jobs and lost them because of this condition. Holding up on the UBI program for everyone else because of the behavior of a few that need treatment is absurd.

Nobody is compelled to take methamphetamines or heroin, especially not the first time. Yes, physical addiction is a beastly problem beyond simply quitting cold turkey - but you sort of put yourself in that boat to begin with.

It's a bit like not knowing how to swim, and deciding to jump into the ocean. If you don't know how to swim, don't jump in the ocean.

Re: My Parents Give Me $28k a Year

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post #21

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but could someone explain the rationale for taxing gifts within a family? Ignoring the possibility of using it to circumvent an income tax, etc., my initial thought is that if my dad wants to give me $30,001 this year, or even $300,000 this year, that he's already paid taxes on it and it's not the government's business. I feel the same way about inheritance taxes, although tho…

It's about inheritance taxes. Without a limit, an easy loophole would be that a parent could give all their money to their kids before they die and avoid inheritance tax entirely. (Instead, they need a more complicated loophole using a trust.)

But federal inheritance tax doesn't kick in until you leave over 11 million to an individual, and many states don't have an inheritance tax, so most people won't need to worry about this. (Not legal advice, states differ, etc.)

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