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Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Every single sentence has a button for taking it out of context" is the best single-sentence summary of Twitter I have yet seen. Thank-you.

People seem determined to write things on Twitter that are absolutely begging to be taken out of context. Sarcasm, inside-jokes, rhetorical hyperbole, assumptions that everyone is following the same story they are, and so on. I don't know why they do it.

Because you have to make assumptions when you only have 140 characters to get an idea through. And yes, I know the limit has been relaxed, but that doesn't change the habit.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Every single sentence has a button for taking it out of context" is the best single-sentence summary of Twitter I have yet seen. Thank-you.

People seem determined to write things on Twitter that are absolutely begging to be taken out of context. Sarcasm, inside-jokes, rhetorical hyperbole, assumptions that everyone is following the same story they are, and so on. I don't know why they do it.

> Sarcasm, inside-jokes, rhetorical hyperbole, assumptions that everyone is following the same story they are, and so on. I don't know why they do it.

Done well and taken in context, it's funny?

Context-free humor is extremely hard but somehow twitter has managed to evolve that too. @dril may be the most well known example.

Using the internet for "debate" is pretty difficult outside of fairly homogenous, heavily moderated environments. It just about works on HN and even here it only works on certain subjects.

Besides, the entire premise of "debate" runs out for certain subjects: "we're taking away your rights because you didn't argue convincingly enough that you should get to live in peace" is inherently a disaster.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#44

Good. Please remove retweet count as well. Maybe Twitter can become a social network without herd mentality. And then facebook(incl. instagram) can also remove their 'reaction emojis'

If that happens, then the herd will just move on.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#45
I've seen some interesting uses of this where eg. liking a specific Westworld tweet would have them message you about new episodes, and liking an Apple event ad will have them message you when it's about to start. I wonder whether they'll have a replacement for that sort of use case.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#46
Reminds me that Kierkegaard seems to have written about social media:

"Man, this shrewd being, ponders day and night how he can invent new means to amplify the noise and how he can spread the sound and the empty talk as hastily as possible everywhere. What one achieves in such a way is probably soon the opposite: the message is soon brought to its lowest level of fullness of meaning, and at the same time, conversely, the means of communication in the direction of hasty and all-flooding distribution have probably reached their maximum, for what is more hastily circulated than gossip?"

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#47
post #20

I don't think quality of "debate" on Twitter can be salvaged. Everything was designed for "engagement" and turned out to be rage-inducing machine. Quote-retweet is used to send followers to harass the person responsible for the awful tweet. RT is choir-preaching (you're a monster if you don't RT that kicking babies is bad), and replies to twitter-celebrities' tweets give everyone their 15 minutes of fame to post the…

For a long time i thought the idea that my reply, not a quote, just a reply, to a tweet gets posted to my main timeline / follower's timelines...is also a bad idea, but I guess this also was designed for 'engagement' too

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#48
The hypocritical media and leftists: Social media is evil because it spies on you and it manipulates you.

The same hypocritical media and leftists: Social media is evil because it doesn't spy on you and manipulate you the way we want it to.

The hypocritical media and leftists: Net neutrality is a human right. Everyone should have equal access and opportunities on the internet.

The same hypocritical media and leftists: People I disagree with don't have a right to the internet or social media. ISPs and social media companies are private companies and can do whatever they want.

The hypocritical media and leftists: Hate speech isn't free speech.

The same hypocritical media and leftists: Spews most of the hate speech on social media.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#49
post #4

How can debate on Twitter be good when they limit the length of the arguments that you can make to two or three sentences?

In the pre-internet era, Chomsky said the same about TV. To paraphrase, you are crippled by the length constraints imposed by the talk show/debate genre. In other words, the length of the message already imposes an agenda on the communication. Of course there the hard limit was somewhere around 5 minutes, not 5 sentences. Twitter is good for anecdotal communication. Anecdotal, as in conveying casual observations. It's not for meaningful discussion, simply because of the length constraints.

I'm not really a Twitter user, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can form a thread containing multiple posts. I don't think that changes much. Suppose you use a post to hold a paragraph of what you're writing. That means that now you have an unlimited (if the thread is unlimited length) size text, but the paragraphs are limited in length. Somehow that sounds even more wrong. What's more, since you're sending paragraphs off in a fire-and-forget sort of way (you can't edit them later, right?), you're essentially entering a sort of flow, no-looking-back type of writting, which is conducive for anecdotal, quick-think, social communications, but, again, not conducive to intellectual discussion.

For example, I'll reformat above text to fit into 280 character buckets, which actually won't even be a good aproximation of what I would have written on Twitter, since I refelected on the text, restructuring it and editing it through out. Here it goes:

> In the pre-internet era, Chomsky said the same about TV. To paraphrase, you are crippled by the length constraints imposed by the talk show/debate genre. In other words, the length of the message already imposes an agenda on the communication.

> Of course there the hard limit was somewhere around 5 minutes, not 5 sentences. Twitter is good for anecdotal communication. Anecdotal, as in conveying casual observations. It's not for meaningful discussion, simply because of the length constraints.

> I'm not really a Twitter user, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can form a thread containing multiple posts. I don't think that changes much. Suppose you use a post to hold a paragraph of what you're writing.

> That means that now you have an unlimited (if the thread is unlimited length) size text, but the paragraphs are limited in length. Somehow that sounds even more wrong.

> What's more, since you're sending paragraphs off in a fire-and-forget sort of way (you can't edit them later, right?), you're essentially entering a sort of flow, no-looking-back type of writting...

> ... which is conducive for anecdotal, quick-think, social communications, but, again, not conducive to intellectual discussion.

By reading that, you can tell that the rhythm of the text doesn't match the rhythm of the divisions. The text is too wordy for the constraints, sentences too long. Last sentence had to be cut into two paragraphs. It's almost giving you indigestion, a feeling like you're taking too large bites too fast.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#50

Good. Please remove retweet count as well. Maybe Twitter can become a social network without herd mentality. And then facebook(incl. instagram) can also remove their 'reaction emojis'

Yep. It was kind of fun when they first added it, but now it is overused to the point where nearly every post has a heart sign, angry/sad face, etc. Even when there is hardly anything to love or be angry or sad about. I became so tired of it that I modified my F.B. Purity add-on to just not show them to me anymore.
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