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What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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post #96

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I made the switch on all my devices about 6 weeks ago. I lasted 5 weeks. At least for quickly finding relevant programming documentation, I didn't think the results were on par with Google.

You can use the g! prefix and it will go to Google. I found DDG plenty good enough for my use case, and in the rare case I can't find it there I just use g! and bam.

I thought “g!” as opposed to “!g” was a typo, but TIL both ways work equally fine! Thanks!

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made the switch on all my devices about 6 weeks ago. I lasted 5 weeks. At least for quickly finding relevant programming documentation, I didn't think the results were on par with Google.

You can use the g! prefix and it will go to Google. I found DDG plenty good enough for my use case, and in the rare case I can't find it there I just use g! and bam.

Bang commands are such a wonderful feature on DDG. Not just for searching other engines when the DDG results aren't what I'm looking for but also for ecommerce sites. The frontpage of most sites are extremely heavyweight and you have to go through a ton of garbage just to get to a search box. Being able to add !homedepot to a DDG search and have it send me to the search results page at Home Depot and not the DDG spidering of the site is pretty nifty feature. I do most of my searches of shopping sites that way now.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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post #62

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Not defending DDG but it is ridiculuos to ask for a company for auditing to probe their claims. There is no legal enforcement for that. If DDG lies and they are discovered they will loose their user base. It is enough with that.

Yes, but all we can observe for now is that we constantly send the same data to DDG as we did send to Google and for some reason we are supposed to trust DDG. It isn't a too wide far-fetched that DDG could be collecting all data in silence and once they have enough of it (or are big enough to survive losing a part of their user base) start capitalising off of it. I don't trust DDG any more than I do trust Google. In…

You can apply the same thinking to zillions of companies marketing themselves. It is unfeasible and naive to promote auditing information. At the end you would be harming small companies who cannot afford auditing.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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> Alarmingly, Google now deploys hidden trackers on 76% of websites across the web to monitor your behavior Is this referring to Google Analytics? If so, I feel like "Google deploys" isn't quite fair compared to "Google's tracker is deployed " or something to that effect. But in any case, the phrasing is confusing enough to me to post here, since I want to know if it means something other than GA, which I understand…

Yes, I'm also curious about these "hidden trackers". Couldn't find any info on what he meant by that.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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post #127

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When I moved to DDG, it took me more than a week to tune my searches for it. I was completely trained to the google interpreter and ddg works different. Now I use slightly different phrases, or ordering and it is great. I only use !g for very specific technical searches, like obscure errors.

Do you have some hints on effectively using DDG, based on that experience?

I would also find this interesting, I switched from DDG to StartPage.com (proxied Google results) for this reason.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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> Alarmingly, Google now deploys hidden trackers on 76% of websites across the web to monitor your behavior Is this referring to Google Analytics? If so, I feel like "Google deploys" isn't quite fair compared to "Google's tracker is deployed " or something to that effect. But in any case, the phrasing is confusing enough to me to post here, since I want to know if it means something other than GA, which I understand…

In addition to Analytics, Google can track you when websites use other APIs, like maps, fonts and charts.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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post #9

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I think there's a problem with this model however. When the highest bidder wins, consumers and advertisers can lose, big. I understand how DDG has to say this is the best and smartest way to do things because they have to live with their promise of not creeping on their visitors - so they can't use the same analytics that someone like Google has. It's just marketing. But the ads that go to the top should be the most…

> But the ads that go to the top should be the most valuable... Why? I'm not using DDG for the advertisements. I'm using them for search. > I just can't trust an ad format where I know the top click just spends the most money. This seems orthogonal to whether the actual target is a keyword or user-tracked data. If two firms want to target the same demographic ( e.g., Ford and Chevy want to target 20-something Dodge R…

What if they actually disclosed the CPC or CPA value?

I know a lot of the big-money keywords used to be things like lead-gen arbitrage in the legal and financial sector. If someone is searching for "life insurance quotes" and they see that the top advertiser is some comparison-shopping site paying $50 per click, will they still think of them as an unbiased referral service, or someone who has to bury that $50 cost somewhere?

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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> Alarmingly, Google now deploys hidden trackers on 76% of websites across the web to monitor your behavior Is this referring to Google Analytics? If so, I feel like "Google deploys" isn't quite fair compared to "Google's tracker is deployed " or something to that effect. But in any case, the phrasing is confusing enough to me to post here, since I want to know if it means something other than GA, which I understand…

This is the CEO of DDG deliberately spreading FUD to innocent people on platforms like Quora in my book. And he's a regular visitor there hijacking many threads promoting his business. I reported his out of place promotional answers once or twice, saying if the CEO of a company is spamming, will it not count as a spam (as opposed to normal people)? Quora didn't remove the answer, for some reason. This one is of cours…

Downvoters, care to explain? Or is it just because it's effectively anti-DDG?

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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I have it as my primary search engine now too, but I find myself constantly using !g because the results suck.

When I moved to DDG, it took me more than a week to tune my searches for it. I was completely trained to the google interpreter and ddg works different. Now I use slightly different phrases, or ordering and it is great. I only use !g for very specific technical searches, like obscure errors.

If you want to directly search other sites without having to choose a different engine in Firefox: if you search through DDG, you can put !g before or after your query and it’ll forward you to google.

There are a bunch of these. !a forwards to Amazon, !w to Wikipedia, etc.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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post #12
post #9

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I think there's a problem with this model however. When the highest bidder wins, consumers and advertisers can lose, big. I understand how DDG has to say this is the best and smartest way to do things because they have to live with their promise of not creeping on their visitors - so they can't use the same analytics that someone like Google has. It's just marketing. But the ads that go to the top should be the most…

> I don't know, I just can't trust an ad format where I know the top click just spends the most money. Why? That's exactly how it works every where else: Radio, TV, Billboards. If two people want the same spot, the person who ponies up more money gets the spot.

And that’s how Bing served malware
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