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Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by anothergoogler »

mikestew wrote: post #9

“Responsibly developing our resources, in Alaska especially, will allow us to use our energy diplomatically to aid our allies and check our adversaries,” he said in a statement. “That makes America stronger and more influential around the globe.” We feel that when we swing our dick around, it’s not big enough. This will allow to have a bigger dick to swing around. I’m at a loss for a less cynical translation.

I'm at a loss for a more vacuous one. You've reduced strategic leverage of natural resources to penises.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by Gibbon1 »

wildmusings wrote: post #18
mikestew wrote: post #9

“Responsibly developing our resources, in Alaska especially, will allow us to use our energy diplomatically to aid our allies and check our adversaries,” he said in a statement. “That makes America stronger and more influential around the globe.” We feel that when we swing our dick around, it’s not big enough. This will allow to have a bigger dick to swing around. I’m at a loss for a less cynical translation.

Russia regularly extorts European countries by threatening to cut off gas or raise prices. A big part of US foreign policy is guaranteeing energy security to our allies. The US is already nearly energy independent, due in part to the shale gas (“fracking”) boom. Increasing domestic production, along with the new policy of allowing exports to our allies, will do a lot to lessen Russia’s power. So yes, it’s about carry…

Every investment in oil and gas exploration is a tragic waste of resources tho since the world needs to stop using fossil fuels for generating electricity, transportation, and heat. With that geopolitical games centered around control of oil and gas supplies is utterly pointless.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by crispyambulance »

claydavisss wrote: post #11
spockz wrote: post #3

How can this be a good idea? Meanwhile in the gulf there are still leaking wells. When do we learn?

Do you own an internal combustion engine? Does your Amazon delivery person? Your fire Dept? Police? We are all complicit

Yes, we are complicit.

For some that means careful reconsideration of petrochemical usage, with the intent of gradually reducing usage and focusing on alternatives and strategic workarounds for the post peak-oil future.

For other's that means "drill-baby-drill" and race to bottom out the price of oil to the point where it's cheaper than water (actually, it already is if you consider bottled drinking water)-- without consideration for the fact that petroleum is a finite resource and there's no "free-refill".

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by runarberg »

creaghpatr wrote: post #19
mikestew wrote: post #9

“Responsibly developing our resources, in Alaska especially, will allow us to use our energy diplomatically to aid our allies and check our adversaries,” he said in a statement. “That makes America stronger and more influential around the globe.” We feel that when we swing our dick around, it’s not big enough. This will allow to have a bigger dick to swing around. I’m at a loss for a less cynical translation.

Less cynical translation: responsibly developing our resources will make us less reliant on countries like Saudi Arabia, which murdered a journalist, and whose resources have since been branded ‘blood money’

Less cynical, true. But also, less apt.

There is no real need for arctic oil, nor Saudi oil for that matter. There are other, easier and cheaper, ways to replace Saudi oil then digging for it in the Arctic.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by Gibbon1 »

anothergoogler wrote: post #21
mikestew wrote: post #9

“Responsibly developing our resources, in Alaska especially, will allow us to use our energy diplomatically to aid our allies and check our adversaries,” he said in a statement. “That makes America stronger and more influential around the globe.” We feel that when we swing our dick around, it’s not big enough. This will allow to have a bigger dick to swing around. I’m at a loss for a less cynical translation.

I'm at a loss for a more vacuous one. You've reduced strategic leverage of natural resources to penises.

Quote from the now flagged article.

> Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke called the decision an important step toward “American energy dominance.”

We can no longer afford the delusion that our leaders are mature and practical men.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by hnmonkey »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #7
spockz wrote: post #3

How can this be a good idea? Meanwhile in the gulf there are still leaking wells. When do we learn?

Which ones and what has been the EPA’s response?

Here is at least one, and it might be the worst spill in US history. It has been all over the news over the past couple of weeks and was a very easy google away. The EPA along with other organizations like the Coast Guard were lied to by the company that owns the well and also seemingly looked the other way for the most part under the guise that it wasn't really that big of a leak so it's fine to let it continue to fester. Clearly however, they were not doing the envrionmental protection part of their name.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-14-...

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by anothergoogler »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #25
anothergoogler wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at a loss for a more vacuous one. You've reduced strategic leverage of natural resources to penises.

Quote from the now flagged article. > Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke called the decision an important step toward “American energy dominance.” We can no longer afford the delusion that our leaders are mature and practical men.

I'm struggling to find immaturity or impracticality in that quote.

Also your reply is redundant: You posted a sibling comment echoing parent's phallic framing of the topic.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by hnmonkey »

claydavisss wrote: post #11
spockz wrote: post #3

How can this be a good idea? Meanwhile in the gulf there are still leaking wells. When do we learn?

Do you own an internal combustion engine? Does your Amazon delivery person? Your fire Dept? Police? We are all complicit

Complicit isn't really the right word at all. For many Americans (probably most) that have a job, they have to get to their job to make money to continue to exist and support themselves and their families. Because of the lack of public transportation (also not their fault) they more than likely need a car. In order to get things they need for their household they have to go shop for them (using a car) or ordering them (having them delivered). Also, I'm not sure how you think the average person influences the energy policies for the fire department, police, Amazon, or car manufacturers. For most people they have no say in any of this and use the things they need to to continue to get by. We are not all complicit, especially considering complicit is defined as illegal or wrongdoing.

Your comment seems to imply the average person has the same power, capabilities, lobbying ability, voice, free time on their hands, and money that someone in the government/politics/large lobbying firm/large corporation would have to dedicate to these things. I'm pretty sure for most people that's not the case at all.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by mikestew »

wildmusings wrote: post #18
mikestew wrote: post #9

“Responsibly developing our resources, in Alaska especially, will allow us to use our energy diplomatically to aid our allies and check our adversaries,” he said in a statement. “That makes America stronger and more influential around the globe.” We feel that when we swing our dick around, it’s not big enough. This will allow to have a bigger dick to swing around. I’m at a loss for a less cynical translation.

Russia regularly extorts European countries by threatening to cut off gas or raise prices. A big part of US foreign policy is guaranteeing energy security to our allies. The US is already nearly energy independent, due in part to the shale gas (“fracking”) boom. Increasing domestic production, along with the new policy of allowing exports to our allies, will do a lot to lessen Russia’s power. So yes, it’s about carry…

Thank you for a thoughtful take that's a little less cynical than mine.

Re: Trump Administration Approves a Plan to Drill for Oil in the Arctic

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Post by wildmusings »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #22
wildmusings wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia regularly extorts European countries by threatening to cut off gas or raise prices. A big part of US foreign policy is guaranteeing energy security to our allies. The US is already nearly energy independent, due in part to the shale gas (“fracking”) boom. Increasing domestic production, along with the new policy of allowing exports to our allies, will do a lot to lessen Russia’s power. So yes, it’s about carry…

Every investment in oil and gas exploration is a tragic waste of resources tho since the world needs to stop using fossil fuels for generating electricity, transportation, and heat. With that geopolitical games centered around control of oil and gas supplies is utterly pointless.

If we don’t do it, our competitors will. Do you want to live in a world where the Chinese and Russian governments have more power over your life than they do now?
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