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Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by mauricioc »

utopcell wrote: post #41

DuckDuckGo was a thin layer of perl scripts written by a single programmer, a wrapper around Yahoo's Search-as-a-Service (YBoSS.) When Yahoo shut down search and started serving Bing results, a YBoSS derivative was grand-fathered into the deal and DDG continued existing. I would not stake the future of my company on such a deal. This is why I believe DDG is now using Yandex in addition to Bing for serving results. Th…

Are you utopcell@google.com as in [1]? If so, I would say that's worth mentioning.

[1] https://research.yahoo.com/mobstor/publication_attachments/w...

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

andy_ppp wrote: post #8
stephengillie wrote: post #2

> In fact, search advertisers buy search ads by bidding on keywords, not people. It makes intuitive sense, too. If you search for ‘car’, you are more likely to respond to a car ad than something you searched for last week. This keyword-based advertising is our primary business model. The rest of the post is a rant about user tracking.

Rant seems extremely strong - how about we go with well thought through set of opinions that the CEO of Duck Duck Go is rigorously applying to his product. I personally found his argument so persuasive I intend to set everything to DuckDuckGo again now.

I can’t get over ther branding. I know this is a terrible reason for not switching but I can’t stand their name or logo. If they were named something more modern and less annoying I’d consider. Call me shallow but branding is important if I’m going to use it every day.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by sireat »

utopcell wrote: post #41

DuckDuckGo was a thin layer of perl scripts written by a single programmer, a wrapper around Yahoo's Search-as-a-Service (YBoSS.) When Yahoo shut down search and started serving Bing results, a YBoSS derivative was grand-fathered into the deal and DDG continued existing. I would not stake the future of my company on such a deal. This is why I believe DDG is now using Yandex in addition to Bing for serving results. Th…

You may not trust DDG and their search providers but Why would you trust Google?

I trust that DDG pseudo-anonymizes my search queries.

I'd like for Google to not make wild ML based guesses on my searches AND other activities in Googlespace. Since you work at Google you should know what I am talking about.

The advantage of DDG is that potential misuse of my data is greatly minimized over Google ecosystem.

In an ideal world search would be completely separated from other activities (Maps, Mail, Video, Phone etc etc).

Siderant: Also Google search quality has homogenized over the years. It is debatable if that is an improvement.

That is you only get main authoritative(SO,Wikipedia,etc) sources OR SEOed results in Top 10.

It is rare to see an honest enthusiast page in Top 10.

I realize that it is a hard problem to solve but it seems Google researchers have not progressed.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by utopcell »

mauricioc wrote: post #51
utopcell wrote: post #41

DuckDuckGo was a thin layer of perl scripts written by a single programmer, a wrapper around Yahoo's Search-as-a-Service (YBoSS.) When Yahoo shut down search and started serving Bing results, a YBoSS derivative was grand-fathered into the deal and DDG continued existing. I would not stake the future of my company on such a deal. This is why I believe DDG is now using Yandex in addition to Bing for serving results. Th…

Are you utopcell@google.com as in [1]? If so, I would say that's worth mentioning. [1] https://research.yahoo.com/mobstor/publication_attachments/w...

Indeed I am. I'm sure your first thought was to use Google to find this information.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by [deleted] »

dgacmu wrote: post #13
catacombs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not nonsense. Google isn't a search company. It's an advertising company.

Ask it this way: if Google could find a revenue model with users paying for search with no ads, would they turn off ads? Yes, probably. If Google could turn off search and still make as much money just showing ads? No. (The vast majority of Google's ad revenue comes.from search advertising.) Google is a search company that depends critically on ads to exist. It also has an advertising company component to it, but the…

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Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by koboll »

utopcell wrote: post #41

DuckDuckGo was a thin layer of perl scripts written by a single programmer, a wrapper around Yahoo's Search-as-a-Service (YBoSS.) When Yahoo shut down search and started serving Bing results, a YBoSS derivative was grand-fathered into the deal and DDG continued existing. I would not stake the future of my company on such a deal. This is why I believe DDG is now using Yandex in addition to Bing for serving results. Th…

Your argument would be stronger, I think, if it were less pro-Google and more focused on drawing an equivalence by pointing out that relying on Yandex dilutes DDG's privacy promise.

"Google is good and trustworthy" is not a strong argument these days; "Google is the lesser of two evils" might be.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by BonesJustice »

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #52
andy_ppp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rant seems extremely strong - how about we go with well thought through set of opinions that the CEO of Duck Duck Go is rigorously applying to his product. I personally found his argument so persuasive I intend to set everything to DuckDuckGo again now.

I can’t get over ther branding. I know this is a terrible reason for not switching but I can’t stand their name or logo. If they were named something more modern and less annoying I’d consider. Call me shallow but branding is important if I’m going to use it every day.

It’s a duck with a bow tie. It’s adorable. Are you not human?

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

mauricioc wrote: post #51
utopcell wrote: post #41

DuckDuckGo was a thin layer of perl scripts written by a single programmer, a wrapper around Yahoo's Search-as-a-Service (YBoSS.) When Yahoo shut down search and started serving Bing results, a YBoSS derivative was grand-fathered into the deal and DDG continued existing. I would not stake the future of my company on such a deal. This is why I believe DDG is now using Yandex in addition to Bing for serving results. Th…

Are you utopcell@google.com as in [1]? If so, I would say that's worth mentioning. [1] https://research.yahoo.com/mobstor/publication_attachments/w...

Wow, this is definitely worth mentioning. Explains why the OP was incredibly biased towards Google while putting down one of their competitors.

Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?

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Post by Nebbers »

thelittleone wrote: post #21
andy_ppp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rant seems extremely strong - how about we go with well thought through set of opinions that the CEO of Duck Duck Go is rigorously applying to his product. I personally found his argument so persuasive I intend to set everything to DuckDuckGo again now.

I made the switch to DDG about 12 months ago for all devices. It has been an entirely positive experience.

Went to try it for a week to see if it was viable. Haven't looked back and have never needed to go to Google's search engine for a year now. Best feature is by far the Stack Overflow 'instant answers'!
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