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In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

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Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

#41
I'm not sure if discriminating against super market employees is the right way to fight discrimination.

The good things I can see with a machine super market:

- It can be open 24/7 without exploiting its employees

- It can be almost fully stocked all the time

- They don't have an excuse to "coicidentally misplace" a $1.50 label at a product that in the end costs $2.99 (every shop does this in the area where I live)

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

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This is an interesting topic; The automation removed a lot of the human interaction, creating a better experience for the customer. In the short term. However, by removing a lot of humans from the shopping interactions, it allows the removed humans to never learn from their mistakes, to stay isolated in their own views. Will this actually make racism better or worse in the long run, as there isn't automation to "fix"…

I think it's better in the short term, and the long term. Those removed humans have plenty of other opportunities to address their prejudices, and profiling innocent shoppers based on their skin color isn't actually necessary.

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

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Tossing in my own anecdotal experience: I worked in Loss Prevention (plain clothes security) for a major midwest retail chain, within 10 miles of a major metropolitan city for several years. We absolutely profiled customers. The catch is that we profiled teenagers of the Caucasian persuasion. Why? Because they were the folks most likely to try and lift goods. Folks wearing unnecessarily baggy clothing (think more tha…

Maybe not the specific narrative of the article, but surely whatever the profiling looks like the narrative of "In Amazon Go, you're not profiled based on your looks" fits.

Either you don't profile at all, or you profile with something that correlates with looks, which will seem like profiling on looks.

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

#44

Profiling sucks. In this case though, I'd say you're simply trading one injustice for another. You go from the ephemeral experience of having a few underpaid lackeys mistrust you, to having an eternal database of everything you buy owned by a third party. Then again, it's getting pretty ridiculous everywhere. The local supermarkets around me - they've gradually stripped real checkout operators away and replaced them…

Profiling is extremely useful for business and extremely harmful for long-term societies, as soon as we accept this fact and decide a long-term society is what we want, then we can agree short-term profits can go fuck themselves as far as ethical behavior goes and decide that if you can't be ethical you may as well go bankrupt and agree that's totally Ok regardless of how many jobs are lost -one billion or a couple-

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say the answer is "yes." Or at least that's how I feel when I shop, and I'm not black.

People should stop talking for others when they are unelected or not nominated. Just because she feels that way, doesn't mean every black person does. Maybe many do, but I don't think it is productive to speak for other people's experience. Of course when speaking for oneself, then it is fine to say anything.

> People should stop talking for others

Other people should do that you say?

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

#47
I wonder how long it will take before they employ regression algorithms to screen those entering the shop and deny those deemed "not safe".

They would probably be like the police crime prevention algorithms in that they would inherently be biased towards the same prejudices as the humans in such jobs. Profile a specific group of people and that group will be arrested more than those not in that group and the algorithms will pick that up.

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not the specific narrative of the article, but surely whatever the profiling looks like the narrative of "In Amazon Go, you're not profiled based on your looks" fits.

Either you don't profile at all, or you profile with something that correlates with looks, which will seem like profiling on looks.

Sure, but my point is that interpreting the narrative of the article to only apply to black people, and not other types of profiling in shops, is pretty unfair.

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

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post #47

I wonder how long it will take before they employ regression algorithms to screen those entering the shop and deny those deemed "not safe". They would probably be like the police crime prevention algorithms in that they would inherently be biased towards the same prejudices as the humans in such jobs. Profile a specific group of people and that group will be arrested more than those not in that group and the algorith…

Amazon only lets you in if they have your credit card on file - so they know your purchase history and can guess at your credit limits. It really doesn’t matter who you are, where you’re from or what you look like.

Re: In Amazon Go, no one thinks I'm stealing

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post #41

I'm not sure if discriminating against super market employees is the right way to fight discrimination. The good things I can see with a machine super market: - It can be open 24/7 without exploiting its employees - It can be almost fully stocked all the time - They don't have an excuse to "coicidentally misplace" a $1.50 label at a product that in the end costs $2.99 (every shop does this in the area where I live)

That isn't discrimination against supermarket employees. Discrimination against them would be housing that refuses to rent to them. There is no obligation to hire them except the consequences of not hiring them.
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