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Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by Khaine » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:26 AM UTC

zorpner wrote: post #100

WillPostForFood wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop the absurd misrepresentation that only the government censor.

That is literally true. Paypal is choosing not to do business with someone. Is your preference that companies must be forced to conduct business with all comers?

FFS the government has already forced people to do business with those they don't like. You do remember the raison etre of the Civil Rights Act don't you?

I'm pretty sure companies in the 1960s South didn't want to serve black Americans.

In fact, many want the Government to go further and force bakers to make cakes for gay weddings when the owners don't support gay marriage [1]

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-05/court-sides-with-colo...

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by commandlinefan » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:28 AM UTC

InclinedPlane wrote: post #81

raverbashing wrote: post #2

Financial censorship is still censorship

Deciding not to provide a platform for any particular view is not censorship. Also, hate speech specifically calling for violence is not protected speech.

Actually yes, that is censorship, by definition. It may not be illegal censorship, but it’s still censorship.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by village-idiot » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:36 AM UTC

tinalumfoil wrote: post #132

village-idiot wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free association implies the freedom to not associate. You can’t make people be associated with hate groups. Also, don’t be cute about “hate”. We aren’t talking about the human emotion and you know it.

In the context of this conversation people don't have the right to disassociate with anyone they don't like. I'm not being "cute" about hate, and whatever you think hate is isn't relevant to my point. People simply do not have the right to do business with others chosen entirely from their own personal discretion. The US government can and does force businesses to provide services, at the risk of that business's exis…

Affiliation with a hate group is not a protected characteristic.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by village-idiot » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:39 AM UTC

atomical wrote: post #135

To be fair Sam Altman violates the guidelines. > I am suspending my involvement with the NEOM advisory board until the facts regarding Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance are known. This is well out of my area of expertise, so I don’t plan to comment on the case until the investigation is finished. I remain a huge believer in the importance of building smart cities. He decided to step back because a heterosexual male was…

Downvote for whataboutism.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by atomical » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:40 AM UTC

village-idiot wrote: post #144

atomical wrote: post #135

To be fair Sam Altman violates the guidelines. > I am suspending my involvement with the NEOM advisory board until the facts regarding Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance are known. This is well out of my area of expertise, so I don’t plan to comment on the case until the investigation is finished. I remain a huge believer in the importance of building smart cities. He decided to step back because a heterosexual male was…

Downvote for whataboutism.

Thanks for supporting Sam and his crusade to make money with the Saudis.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by commandlinefan » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:41 AM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #57

dgzl wrote: post #16

Was Gab actively supporting the hateful groups more than just giving them a speech platform? Because if not, this is truly terrifying. It seems like the "left" (whatever that means), with waves of ignorant support, is turning into the monster it thinks it's fighting against.

It’s easy to say everyone has the right to a platform, but an overwhelming majority agrees that this shouldn’t apply to groups like pedophiles and Islamic State. The antisemitic alt-right is growing more violent. When do they cross the line, if you feel it hasn’t been crossed yet?

I’m not sure that proving their consipracy theories accurate by censoring them is going to make them _less_ violent.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by justtopost » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:42 AM UTC

Asparagirl wrote: post #26

Good. Now for Stripe. I already called their customer support this morning and told them I'd pull my organization's account unless they dropped Gab. I'm sure I'm not the only customer who has. They enable payments processing for Gab, which means that they also profit from Gab. They make money off the alt-right. They choose to make money off the alt-right. You want protests in front of your office, Stripe, raising hel…

Whats your company? I will do the same to yours. I think they are terrible, but campaigning against speech is shameful.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by village-idiot » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:42 AM UTC

atomical wrote: post #8

panarky wrote: post #3

Does it require the slaughter of innocents to decide not to support hate?

It shouldn't. You could easily say that of Sergei Brin, Sundar Pichai, and Jeff Bezos. https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=619&tbm=isch&sa=1... Look at what a great time Bezos is having with MBS. Aside from executing homosexuals and oppressing women he must be a really great guy.

Bezos is doing a great job of destroying his public image.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by village-idiot » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:46 AM UTC

WillPostForFood wrote: post #32

zorpner wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paypal is not the government. Stop this absurd misrepresentation of censorship.

Stop the absurd misrepresentation that only the government censor.

The idea that “you seem unpleasant, I don’t want to do business with you” is censorship is absurd.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by kthejoker2 » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 1:54 AM UTC

dgzl wrote: post #107

happytoexplain wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty dismissive and combative. From a neutral perspective, it looks like one of the intrinsic characteristics of Gab is that it is host to more hateful expression than other platforms. Can you give something in the way of an explanation as to why you're so confident that can't be the real reason?

Did Gab pick the hate groups, or did the hate groups pick Gab? What if you created a platform for expression, and it was infiltrated by a certain type of audience that's generally repulsive. Should we sink your project?

Surely this argument is beneath you. Infiltrated? So it's unwanted by you? What efforts are you making to prevent it? Pretty easy to demonstrate that you won't tolerate that behavior. Gab has never done anything remotely suggesting these are unwanted accounts tarnishing their good name.