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China’s Government Has Ordered a Million Citizens to Occupy Uighur Homes

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Post by angry_octet »

forkLding wrote: post #11
angry_octet wrote: post #8

Let's not sugar coat this, the CCP is engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing. They are trying Cultural Revolution style reeducation and surveillance first, but who knows how many will die in the camps. This level of repression makes Northern Ireland look like a tea party. If it weren't that Xinjiang is so poor I'd think it inevitable that there would be armed resistance -- without a crop like opium the Taliban would…

There is armed resistance, the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party They're deemed a terrorist group by US and EU and have fought in Syria.

I don't think they are really active in China though. If any of the modern IED tech had made it across we'd be seeing more than knife attacks. They are very good at supressing information but the casualties would be too large to cover up.

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Post by chaostheory »

angry_octet wrote: post #20
chaostheory wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's not sugar coat this, the CCP is engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing. They haven't been doing it and they're not going to do that. Why? 1. Ethnic cleansing (akin to what we see in Yugoslavia & WWII) just isn't a tool Chinese have used historically. 2. Unlike say the Nazis, the CCP does not see the problem mainly as race & genetics. The issue in their eyes is culture and behavior. 3. They have something els…

As I said, a Chinese style cultural genocide. Stealing the women, locking up the men, taking their jobs and scarce resources, banning religion -- what could go wrong? But it now has aspects more familiar from the Cultural Revolution, like re-education camps, sending the cadres out to enforce correct thought (this time readings of Xi instead of Mao!). Though there seems to be little zeal in the cadres, and the Han pop…

For the record you only mentioned ethnic cleansing in your original comment and nothing about cultural genocide until now. Let me be really clear - what they’re doing is both wrong & terrible - I don’t disagree with anyone on that, but specific words mean something. This is HN and not reddit. Ethnic cleansing is not the same thing as cultural or reverse genocide. Ethnic cleansing is much worse and it involves stuff like gas chambers instead of re-education camps. Don’t mistake my attempt at providing more info about the subject as condoning it.

Also I think you mixed up my comment with someone else’s. I did not mention either Hu or Xi

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Post by chaostheory »

angry_octet wrote: post #21
forkLding wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is armed resistance, the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party They're deemed a terrorist group by US and EU and have fought in Syria.

I don't think they are really active in China though. If any of the modern IED tech had made it across we'd be seeing more than knife attacks. They are very good at supressing information but the casualties would be too large to cover up.

There have been more than knife attacks. China is good at suppressing info in the region. It’s easy because no other major nation state seamingly cares about the region at least for now and also due to its geographic location

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Post by forkLding »

angry_octet wrote: post #21
forkLding wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is armed resistance, the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party They're deemed a terrorist group by US and EU and have fought in Syria.

I don't think they are really active in China though. If any of the modern IED tech had made it across we'd be seeing more than knife attacks. They are very good at supressing information but the casualties would be too large to cover up.

I've heard of bus bombs and random unexplained groups of police casualties in Xinjiang but the Chinese Communist Party needs to maintain the facade of stability or else it would be breaking it's "promise" to the people.

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Post by 83sjeodeke »

throwaway4652 wrote: post #9
olliej wrote: post #4

Also concentration camps. But no one has pulled out of China. Companies still seem to be falling over themselves to help. Personally my feeling is that any engineer working on software or hardware to support this kind of effort should be considered a party to it, and so be subject to international law. Especially in the US and Europe where there is no “I was afraid for my life” justification.

What I find fascinating is that Xi Jinping was sent to a concentration camp from 1969 to 1975, and now he is the president of China.

You mean now he is the EMPEROR of China...with no term limits and all
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